Talk:Wyatt Earp

Pronunciation

Often articles have an IPA pronunciation of the subject title, but this one doesn't.

I bring it up because I hear many people pronounce the name as "urp", but I went to college with a fellow named Jim Earp, who claimed Wyatt as a distant relative and insisted that his surname is pronounced as "arp". He said that this was how the Earp family always pronounced it through generations, and "urp" was the uninformed pronunciation of ignorant Yankees who didn't know better. He himself didn't have a southern accent; he sounded midwestern to me. Naturally I cannot add an IPA pronunciation on the basis of a personal anecdote, but I offer it as a data point. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:37, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

I too know an individual whose surname is Earp who believes the name is correctly pronounced "arp", but I have not found any sources to substantiate that belief. So the pronunciation guide as "arp" is not appropriate, given that the commonly accepted pronunciation is "urp". — btphelps ^{(talk to me) (what I've done)} 07:13, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

So, the Earps pronounce their own surname with a silent E (as "arp"), and those who don't know better pronounce it with a silent A ("erp"), but nobody pronounces it as the word "ear" with a p on the end, like "eerp" (which is how I sounded it in my head the first time I saw the name as a child). It's a mystery. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:52, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

The Dexter

There are two photographs of the Dexter saloon. One is indeed the Dexter, and the other is the Second Class Saloon, not the Dexter. They are not the same building, of this there is no doubt. Bunco man (talk) 13:25, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Wyatt Earp's Pocket watch

Wyatt Earp's Pocket Watch given to him by Tom Mix - front side

Wyatt Earp's Pocket Watch given to him by Tom Mix - back side

Hello, as a descendant of Tom Mix, I happen to be in possession of the pocket watch that Tom Mix gave to Wyatt Earp while he was living with Mix near Los Angeles towards the end of his life. Would it be appropriate to add photographs of this watch (which includes an inscription to Mr Earp from Mr Mix) on this page? I am the owner of the watch and can contribute the photo under the open licenses used by Wikipedia. I just don't know what the rules are for contributing photos (as opposed to content, which has to be reputably sourced). Thanks for any guidance! I'll include photographs here for now, so that their utility can be assessed by others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevemidgley (talk • contribs) 00:19, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

@Stevemidgley: If you took those photographs, then it looks like you did everything correctly. I added them to the article in what I hope would be an appropriate place (the only paragraph that mentions Tom Mix multiple times). I like the playing card design on the face. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:02, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

I took those photographs and I own the watch featured. Thank you for your help publishing them! I'm glad to be able to contribute this small bit of history! Stevemidgley (talk) 05:05, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Stevemidgley you state there is an inscription on this watch, but didn't provide an image of the inscription. Please share the inscription, which makes the watch notable, otherwise the watch claim is dubious and has no provenance and lacks merit for inclusion in the article. Thanks. — btphelps ^{(talk to me) (what I've done)} 16:38, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Having not received a reply, I have removed the images. — btphelps ^{(talk to me) (what I've done)} 08:13, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi btphelps - apologies for the slow reply - I had some family stuff over the holidays. The inscription is an engraving on the back of the watch - please take a look at the closed watch back. It shows "To Wyatt Earp BEST OF LUCK Tom Mix" -- as to provenance I'm not sure what would qualify. I'm Tom Mix's great grandson but how to prove that, or how to establish this watch isn't fake seems beyond the purview of an online platform like this. Any input welcome. I was thinking this type of photo is equivalent to someone taking a photo of a person, building, or other object for inclusion in Wikipedia. Your help figuring this out is welcome. Stevemidgley (talk) 18:01, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Stevemidgley what a great family treasure! I'll add the image of the engraving to the article. I also added it to Tom Mix. I hope you've had that watch appraised and insured! I'm curious - if Mix gave Earp the watch, how is it still in the Mix family? — btphelps ^{(talk to me) (what I've done)} 19:00, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

I think my original positioning of both images under the Death section was a better place. There is more room for images there, and the section mentions Tom Mix twice. It's a shame to include only the backside of this interesting watch. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:19, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

btphelps From what I understand (as told to me by my grandmother Tommy, Mix's daughter), Wyatt Earp was actually living with Tom Mix toward the end of his life in Mix's house near the coast in Southern California (Palos Verdes maybe). Mix was a pallbearer at Earp's funeral, as is more widely known. I don't fully understand how this watch remains in the family beyond that - maybe Wyatt gave it back to Mix or it just happened to be left at Mix's house before Earp died? Thanks for including this in both articles - hopefully the photos will bring some small historical context and enjoyment to readers of these articles here. The watch is insured - I have no idea what kind of specialist could appraise it actually. Anyway - thank you for your help in getting these photos into the right places. Stevemidgley (talk) 23:08, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Stevemidgley Earp was living with his wife at a cottage in LA when he died. My only guess is that perhaps Mix had the watch made for Earp but could not present it before Earp died. If it could be established that the watch was actually owned by Earp, it would have considerably increased value. There are people who specialize in this kind of appraisal. I am acquainted with people who know such professionals. Have you had the watch dated and is the watch maker known? There might be records someplace. — btphelps ^{(talk to me) (what I've done)} 00:22, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

btphelps Wow - thanks. My grandmother Tommy is no longer living, and I don't have any documentation on provenance or maker for this watch unfortunately. But I'd be happy to talk with an appraiser and hire them if they think they can help figure this out. I have some other objects from Mix that I might ask to appraise and establish provenance on as well if it's possible. Feel free to message me privately if you have specific recommendations for appraisers. And a sincere thank you! Stevemidgley (talk) 00:26, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Stevemidgley unsure how to PM you; you can email me from a link at the top on my talk page. No guarantees, but there may be a makers mark inside the watch case. Given the custom nature of the watch, I'd be surprised if the watch mater can't be identified. How many custom watch makers were there in LA / Hollywood in the 1920s? — btphelps ^{(talk to me) (what I've done)} 03:07, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Wichita, Kansas section

Ending sentence implies Dodge City is 150 miles east of Wichita rather than west. Rairden (talk) 03:18, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

I noticed this as well. Please correct. 2601:1C0:6C00:C6F0:57A:F5B:5948:60F7 (talk) 04:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Photograph is not Wyatt Earp as a child

The photograph "Wyatt Earp and mother Virginia Ann Cooksey Earp c. 1855" is anachronistic. The woman in the photograph is wearing a dress that would not have been worn in the 1850s, when women's dresses were cut to emphasize a narrow waist, and the skirt is too narrow as well. The sleeves are also too narrow for a dress from the 1850, and the woman's hair is also not consistent with the time period. The woman in the photograph is dressed more in line with a woman of the 1880s. 71.179.230.19 (talk) 23:58, 29 September 2023 (UTC)