User talk:Ryan Prior/Kalehoff

This discussion was started in response to my nomination of the Edd Kalehoff entry for VFD in May of 2005.

Biased POV

You seem to have a biased point of view with regard to television composers, especially Edd Kalehoff. Please give us your reasoning behind this.

To whom it may concern:
I beleive that composers who are not widely recognized for their music, such as Edd Kalehoff, may not be relevant to an encyclopedia. I recognize that I may be entirely wrong on this point and I do not feel strongly on the issue. I am willing to expound upon this, but I would rather not answer to an anonymous user. To continue this discussion, please create a Wikipedia user name and own your above comment. Thanks for your inquiry! Ryan Prior 01:38, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

What defines "not widely recognized"?

OK, well I am a registered user and I think you do feel strongly on the issue. In your opinion what defines "not widely recognized"? Edd Kalehoff has written some of the most widely recognized music in the United States including the very recognizable and iconic theme to The Price is Right (along with other cues for the show). He has composed music for several television game shows and is well known for that. However, Kalehoff's contributions to music are not limited to television, he is well known within the music industry (especially in New York) as one of the best synth/keyboard players around and has done some innovative things with it, although you would most likely dismiss that since you never heard of him (or at least act as if you do). Now isn't the whole point of an encyclopedia to look information up? If you just RTFM you would see that the Edd Kalehoff article is just a stub worthy of expansion! Spotteddogsdotorg 13:00, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

I would agree with the previous post

You seem to be someone who lacks knowlege on the topic, so why are you even suggesting deleting it. Can you give us your musical qualifications. And one more question if Edd Kalehoff was an obscure 17th century composer of harpsicord music would you have suggested the entry be deleted? Just because something is obscure to you where ever the hell you are doesn't mean it is obscure to us normal people! Tobyvonmeistersinger 13:08, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Re: Kalehoff

I knew Kalehoff only for his contributions to The Price is Right and some other TV-related compositions. Posters here, on the VFD page, and on the Kalehoff Wiki entry have convinced me that he is indeed more notable than I realized when I tagged that page for VFD. I restate that I do not feel strongly about whether TV composers, or Kalehoff in particular, can be considered notable. Thanks to all who posted here. I suggest that further discussion on this subject be confined to the VFD page and the Edd Kalehoff talk page. Ryan Prior 19:50, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

Why not call for expansion?

Wouldn't it have made more sense to call for the expansion of the article and not its deletion? Since you called for its deletion it has been significantly added to. Toasthaven 14:34, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

@toasthaven, et al

At the time I submitted Kalehoff's for deletion, it looked like a vanity page for a man I knew only as the writer of the "The Price is Right" theme. I suggested that it be deleted if it was not sufficiently notable, or if it was, that it should be merged with a page about The Price is Right or some other project with which he was involved. This is simply an explanation for those of you who did not see fit to read my origional reason for deletion. I am pleased to see that it has been wikified and expanded and I hope that its expansion continues. If that expansion came about because of my move to delete it, I would ask those who opposed its deletion to be glad that it got attention and {{assume good faith}} on my part. Realize that I put it to a vote because it wasn't remotely obscure or vain enough to qualify for speedy deletion and I wanted to see what other Wikipedians' opinions were. I hope that this response satisfactorily answers your questions. Ryan Prior 22:35, May 26, 2005 (UTC)