Talk:Clarinet Sonatas (Brahms)

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Just a quick note: for the moment I've redirected Clarinet Sonata No. 1 (Brahms) and Clarinet Sonata No. 2 (Brahms) to here. Eventually we can have separate articles on the two, but the only info here right now applies to the both. I also wouldn't normally make redirects from pages which I think will, in the future, be fully-fledged articles in themselves, but as the info here is probably useful to somebody, I thought this (temporary) solution was best. --Camembert

No. 2 in E flat movements[edit]

In two separate recordings I have, the Clarinet Sonata No. 2 in E flat has four movements, not three. They are listed as:

1. Allegro amabile
2. Allegro appasionato
3. Andante con moto
4. Allegro non troppo

Not sure of the actual sheet music, but it seems when it's performed, they break these up into four movements. Should they be lsited as such? --Waliy sherpa (talk) 22:28, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sonata no.2 is in three movements, of which the third is a theme and variations. The theme is marked 'Andante con moto' and this is retained for the first four variations. At the fifth variation the key changes to the minor and the tempo increases to 'Allegro'. This in turn leads into an extended coda back in the major, which begins 'piu tranquillo' but gradually builds to a brilliant climax. The structure is clearly a single movement; the tempo marking 'Allegro non troppo' does not appear in the score. --5.80.130.95 (talk) 12:57, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect analysis of No.2?[edit]

As far as I can tell, none of the information in the second sonata's section is actually correct, and frankly reads like an analysis of a completely different work. I've reverted it off for the time being, the revision can be found here: [1]. I'm providing a breakdown of points in the analysis that don't appear to be correct below:

The Allegro amabile first movement doesn't feature an Andante section
I'm doubting the main theme being "heroic and passionate" with the marking amabile "amiable, pleasant"
The exposition of the first movement never reaches Ab; the second subject appears to be the sotto voce theme in Bb
The tempo of the second movement is given as Allegro appassionato, not Allegro molto appassionato
The trio is in B, not Bb, and is only presented once, not twice
The second movement does not have a substantial coda, ending quietly shortly after the end of the second scherzo section
The third movement ends Allegro, not Allegro vivo, and is in variation form, not sonata form
Again, Ab isn't touched on, and it certainly wouldn't be the main key of a movement in Eb
The third movement does not restate the first theme of the first movement

--2604:3D08:657B:3500:2067:4467:9942:E35D (talk) 12:23, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]