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An image of this letter would be appreciated. WpZurp 05:38, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

ZE acronym?[edit]

ZE is not an acronym for anything, not even for Zionist Entity (first 100 google searches don't show anything close). If you add ZE as an acronym, please provide supporting references. --Gabi S. 14:10, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, of course it is not an official acronym, as the state officially is called Israel. It is however widely used, at least in the Middle East. Bertilvidet 14:12, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Supporting references, please. --Gabi S. 14:47, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Simply go to Damascus and buy a copy of Syria Times, or go to Tehran and buy a copy of Tehran Daily. Mentioning a concept here on Wikipedia does not equal endorsing it. Bertilvidet 14:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Uhmm... "technical" difficulties prevent me from doing it... But can you provide an online reference? Some article from the Syria Times web site, or maybe from Ahmadinejad's blog? --Gabi S. 15:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it would be cool if Ahmadinejad started to blog, and also if Syria Times goes online. So far we must face the systemic bias of the internet...However, some sources in the West also use the acronym: [1], [2], [3], [4]. Bertilvidet 15:56, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, you missed the news on Ahmadinejad's blog [5]. And even Syria Times is now online. In any case, no one is using ZE as an acronym. The references that you provide are quite poor - number 3 includes "ZE" as a German way of saying "The", and not as an acronym; number 1 and 4 are conversations from private people that seem to be the exception rather than the norm, and number 2 is a valid source, but a rather strange one, presenting the Manar station and then attacking it. I would prefer more reliable sources. --Gabi S. 16:39, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I stand corrected concerning the use of ICT among the regimes in Iran and Syria and ze German language. Also the acronym might not be so widely used as I initially assumed. However, it is still used and thus I insist that it should be mentioned on this disamb page. Bertilvidet 07:50, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In a google search, it appears that ZE is commonly used when Zionist Entity was previously used and the author doesn't want to type it again. --Kainaw ^(talk) 20:08, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That google search actually shows very few hits for it being used that way. Any from reliable sources? Jayjg ^(talk) 20:11, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't claim that there were millions of hits or that any sites were credible. I only claimed that those who use ZE as an acronym commonly use it after using the entire phrase Zionist Entity. If you want to get into who is using it. They look like Jewish (possibly Israeli) blogs because the use of Zionest Entity is in phrases like, "The ignorant terrorist say they want to blow the ZE off the face of the planet." It sounds to me like they are using it as an inflamatory word to negate opposing views. But, that is just my opinion on reading a handful of hits. If I cared to read a few hundred, I may have a different opinion on how it is being used. --Kainaw ^(talk) 18:01, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Should ZE be included as an acronym here?[edit]

I would like to open a discussion on whether an acronym ZE for Zionist Entity should be included here or not.

Please add your opinion below:

Yes, include it[edit]

It is sometimes used in English articles written by Syrian and Iranian people. (Those who claim it should provide reliable sources as references.)

It should not be included[edit]

It is very rarely used, and is not a common acronym.
Here are extensive lists of acronyms that indeed do not include this term: [6][7].

Removed. --Gabi S. 06:48, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You might personally dislike the term. But this is utterly irrelevant. As shown above the acronym is used, despite not being extremely widespread in the West. Do you suggest that Wikipedia limits its content to what is at thefreedictionary.com and its mirror sites. If this is the case you have lots of entries to delete! Bertilvidet 14:29, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's not that I dislike it as you do seem to be in love with it. Since it is extremely rarely used, your acts of putting it back again and again are POV pushing and you must stop. --Gabi S. 16:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What a miserable life one must have if in love with an acronym! Luckily my life is not that bad. Including a term on Wikipedia is not endorsing it, and thus far from POV pushing. Bertilvidet 16:27, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]