Talk:Zurab Zhvania

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Assassination[edit]

Yes, I know Wikipedia's policy about 'no original research'. But I can talk about this case and point you young guys with lots of time in the right direction. Find some people in Tbilisi to get sources for the FBI investigation of Zhvania's death. Or contact the FBI and see if they can give the report. Those are legit evidence.

I was in Tbilisi at the time of Zurab Zhvania's death. I remember that the FBI looked into the case and that articles discussed the fact that his blood did not have carbon monoxide attached to the hemoglobin. Also, the FBI found an injection site inside his upper lip. The suspect toxin was classified - won't be in the report. I know what it was but it is best if that not be made common knowledge to prevent wider use. The same toxin was probably used on Patarkatsishvili in London. (I shed no tears over that one. Patarkatsishvili ordered the secretary of a colleague in Tbilisi murdered and left the body across the street in a park because the man wouldn't take payoffs. My hat is off to the team that took that monster off the planet. Good work guys.) The report that the body had been moved was also echoed by the FBI IIRC. Their basis for saying so was that since there was CO in the air of the apartment but Zhvania had no CO in his blood, he had to have died elsewhere.

FYI - people who die of CO poisoning have an overly healthy ruddy color. The reason is that CO-heme is bright red, not the blue of CO2. It is a dead give-away to any experienced crime scene examiner. Zhvania had normal lividity. The lack of CO was confirmed by lab test.

I don't have a lot of time to find the articles about Zhvania's killing, but they are around in foreign media. He did not die accidentally. Go dig. 69.229.123.193 (talk) 19:45, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure you want this here? It looks like there was heavy, probably too much, American presence at the time in Tblisi; e.g. FBI presence at the time of Zhvania's death. This smells, because the FBI could not have known beforehand - but why did they have a team there? I came upon this as now the Georgian authorities would like to 'invite' Saakashvili for questioning over this death (and other matters), but he left his US exile only to be a contractor for the Poroshenko government in Kiev. 58.174.224.91 (talk) 03:53, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Meaningless Quotes[edit]

I think the quotes in the "Aftermath" paragraph are pretty meaningless and should be removed, they are just standard statements which are spoken by politicians after the death of a well-known person. 193.171.121.30 18:05, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I agree. They will be gone with time I'm sure. —Cantus…☎ 23:24, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)

Killed or Died[edit]

[[Zhvania was killed, apparently due to an inadequately ventilated gas heater, early in the morning of February 3, 2005. He was in the home of Raul Usupov, deputy governor of Georgia's Kvemo Kartli region, at the time. Usupov was also killed.]]

Doesnt the word "killed" tend to imply an action by another person or living thing? Contrast the statement "Mr xxx died today as a result of diseases linked to inadequate personal hygenine" with "Mr xxx was killed today during an premeditated attack by a pack of hungry poodles".

So I think "Zhvania died apparently due..." and "Usupov also died."

I agree the word killed is a bit ambiguous. —Cantus…☎ 03:33, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)

Languages[edit]

The intro says he spoke Russian, English and German. Didn't he speak Georgian too? – Kpalion (talk) 13:23, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Sort of goes without saying I would have thought, but I've put it in for you nonetheless. — Trilobite (Talk) 06:46, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Armenian?[edit]

List of Armenians says he is Armenian. Is it true?--Nixer 14:03, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No. Zhvania is a clearly Mengrelian surname
his father was georgian, his mother was armenian. Tamokk 10:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

... and the last paragraph says that he was a Jew! very confusing indeed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.14.147.13 (talk) 09:51, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In that part of the world people mix (elsewhere, too). Remember they were all one country, part of the Soviet Union, just like you marrying someone from across State borders. Jews were often quite secular and mixed, and many people had many ethnicities. 58.174.224.91 (talk) 03:42, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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