Talk:Yitzhak Rabin assassination conspiracy theories

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Possible WP:BLP violation[edit]

I removed the following sentences from the article.

Conspiracy theorists Uri Barkan, Barry Chamish, Natan Geffen, and David Morrison, wrote books alleging that Amir's action was on the surface intended to have been a staged, unsuccessful assassination bid to rekindle Rabin's flagging popularity, and was subverted by other factions (variously ascribed to political opponents, or the Israeli Secret Services Shin Bet or Shabak) who added the fatal wounds later. David Rutstein has created websites on the subject.

Following WP:BLP, we need to make sure that we can pinpoint that each of these conspiracy theorists are alleging each one of these facts. To state that everyone alleges that Amir's action was on the surface (a) intended to have been a staged, unsuccessful assassination bid (b) to rekindle Rabin's flagging popularity, and (c) was subverted by other factions (variously ascribed to political opponents, or the Israeli Secret Services Shin Bet or Shabak) (d) who added the fatal wounds later requires at least four citations in my view. I realize that I may be alone here but still, I'm watching this now. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:29, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are not entirely alone. But I do want to edit some other Wikipedia articles, after dealing for so long with different promoters of conspiracy theories and associated POV pushers (including against the theorists). Your above statement summarizes the problem very well! gidonb (talk) 00:38, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Leftist conspiracy theories section[edit]

I have removed the entire leftist conspiracy theory section here. It needs sources. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:32, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ricky, it does need sources, but these could and should have been requested. Then again, you left a note on the talk page. That is also something. Same applies to the criticisms below. gidonb (talk) 00:32, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced criticisms of conspiracy theories removed[edit]

Busy night. I've removed the following unsourced section as well.

A second, mostly Israeli left-wing criticism, attacks the very existence of such theories as a denial of what they consider to be right wing "responsibility" for the murder. This "responsibility" for the murder would have been by creating an extreme hostile environment to the late Prime Minister, in which Yigal Amir and his immediate accomplices Hagai Amir and Dror Adani were just a small group of the actors.

I realize that having removed the leftist theories, this makes even less sense in the article but the allegations are pretty serious, especially unsourced. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:34, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Theory or just claims[edit]

The supposed "Right-wing conspiracy theories" does not give a single actual theory. They are all isolated claims, and no possible combination of the given claims forms a coherent theory of who allegedly killed Rabin and why. I suggest the section be renamed "Conspiracist claims" or similar, or actual theories be provided if they exist. Superm401 - Talk 09:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea! Done. BTW would you have more constructive ideas like this one, feel free to go ahead an implement! gidonb (talk) 00:26, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am really curious to find out who killed Yitzhak Rabin and why, according to right wing and/or left wing conspiracy theoriests. I don't see any conspiracy theories here just evidence against the theory "accepted" by the Israeli government and mainstream media. I know this has already been pointed out, but I thought that maybe posting this would grab someone's attention, who is more proficient at researching than I am, to find the answers. 71.254.190.187 (talk) 04:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unclear significance[edit]

What is the significance of the claims that various people described the fatal gunshots as blanks? Even if true, there is nothing per se odd about such statements, as they would be a natural way to calm a crowd or key people in a crowd. And there appears to be consensus that Rabin was indeed shot and killed. So in what sense do these claims bolster a conspiracy theory? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.229.114 (talk) 01:40, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As noted on the article/talk page, some of the conspiracy biscuits believe it was initially a fake assassination attempt, staged in an attempt to boost Yatzin's popularity - but then another party used the attempt to kill him, hoping they'd be more successful if people didn't realise he was actually dying. That's how I read it anyway. Not that I agree with it, they're clearly nuts, I'm just answering your question :) 62.255.248.225 (talk) 13:09, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV problems with the claims[edit]

The claims are written in an unclear style about which is a claim and which is a counter claim. They currently are misleading and hard to figure out; it almost looks as if written to say that each of these claims meets Wikipedia standards for inclusion as facts. 174.62.68.53 (talk) 20:46, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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