Talk:Yves Klein

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Any chance of a bit more about this "chapbook containing only empty pages"? Does it have a name, or a date or something? I've never heard of it (not that I'm an expert or anything), and can't find anything on the web (I know I'm probably just looking in the wrong places). --Camembert

Not exactly empty[edit]

The book I know of wasn't exactly empty. He published a catalog that consisted of colored squares of paper attached to pages with names of paintings. Apparently there is no consistency to which colored squares were attached to which page/title. That's vague, but I don't have my books on me right now to look up.

The book is probably Yves: Peintures. 1954. An early effort of mine. Feel free to rewrite it.Trevelyanhouse (talk) 10:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Replaced image[edit]

I took out a monochrome work that was "in the style of Yves Klein" and replaced it with a monochrome piece that was by Klein himself. It was a nice picture, but off topic, especially when the actual thing is so readily available. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drewcifer3000 (talk • contribs) 16:29, 5 September 2006.

Hmmm... excepting of course that a photograph of one of Klein's paintings would be a derivative work and so potentially copyright. And indeed, that image has now been deleted for lack of copyright tagging.
The image in the style of Yves Klein, gave an accurate impression of the how the monochrome canvasses looked. An argument could still be made for copyright infringement but it would be difficult to justify. Someone might like to consider restoring one of these earlier images. -- Solipsist 12:15, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Klein and Judo[edit]

It seems to me that Klein, the artist, is completely eclipsing the judoist. It seems Klein's passion for Judo shaped much of the artist in him (and vice-versa). It's very hard to find reliable sources (I think most of his books would serve as sources for his involvement in Judo, but they are very expensive!!!)... Although we have to strive to impartiality in wikipedia, we can share our opinions in the talk page (thanks goodness)... What Klein achieved, the 4th degree black-belt, bestowed by the Kodokan is an incredibly amazing feat for a western at that time... Even today it's very, very hard to receive this rank by the Kodokan itself. For example, the Judoka that traveled the world doing fights against any discipline and finally settled in Brazil, and who happened to teach it to the Gracies, thus starting what would be called Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu was the same rank of Klein himself!

The following are some info I came upon on judoforum.com [1]. I'm putting it here in case anyone wants to research further or improve the article:

David Waterhouse wrote this (shortened version):

The literature on Yves Klein as an artist is by now quite large, in English as well as in French and German. I may mention the following:
  • Paul Wember (1969): Yves Klein. Köln: M.Dumont Schauberg.
  • Institute for the Arts, Rice University, ed. (1982): Yves Klein, 1928-1962. A Retrospective. Houston: Institute for the Arts, Rice University, in association with The Arts Publisher, Inc., New York.
  • Hannah Weitemeier (1995): Yves Klein, 1928-1962. International Klein Blue. Translated by John William Gabriel. Köln: Benedikt Taschen.
  • Sidra Stich (1995): Yves Klein. London: Hayward Gallery.
  • Nicolas Charlet (2000): Yves Klein. Translated by Michael Taylor. Paris: Société nouvelle Adam Biro.
All these refer to Klein’s passion for judo; and it partly inspired his approach to life and to art. Apart from his book on kata, he alludes to judo and to Zen in other published and unpublished writings: for example, “The ordinary judoka does not practice spiritually but physically and emotionally. The true judoka practices spiritually and with a pure sensibility. Since life is then a constant victory, he wins, he always wins.” In December 1953 Kanō Risei wrote to him: “I have decided to grant you the fourth dan, considering specifically your pure and simple enthusiam for Judo, your coming to Japan — a very distant country geographically, and your future project for the cause of developing the true Judo of the Kodokan in Europe. I look forward to your brilliant success in France and in the other countries of Europe... Judo of the Kodokan, as you already know, is not only a sport in the narrow sense of the word, but a moral ideal: it is the accomplishment of the perfect personality. You must understand this and do your best, in the future, for the cause of Franco-Japanese friendship by means of this sport, and for the development of this noble spirit and excellent techniques of the true Judo of the Kodokan in Europe”.
Klein’s rejection by the French judo establishment of the day was a great blow to him. He had been planning a second book on judo, he proposed to Kanō Risei a French translation of Illustrated Kodokan Judo, he briefly operated his own judo club, and he continued teaching judo for a few years: but increasingly he devoted himself to art. He was a pioneer in the production of monochrome paintings and other works using especially his “International Klein Blue” (which happens to resemble the blue of modern competition jūdōgi).

Finarashi pointed us to two of his books on Judo

Yves Klein has recieved more attention lately. His book has been reprinted both in french and italian.
  • "I fondamenti del judo : il corpo e lo spazio per il grande artista del Novecento", Klein, Yves (1928 - 1962) and Valenti, Stefano, Milano, Italy, Isbn Edizioni, 2007, 250p, ISBN 8876380620
  • "Les fondements du judo", Klein, Yves (1928 - 1962), Paris, France, Dilecta, 2006, 207p, ISBN13 9782916275116
Both available through net at less than $30 + postage.
The original edition is fetching prices around $2000. So a lot higher prices than either Canon of Judo or Fighting Judo.

I (Loudenvier :-) ) don't know much about Klein, that's why I'm refraining from incorporating this on his article, but I think it would be very nice for the completeness of his wikipedia biography if others, more knowledgeable than me on him could do this. Loudenvier (talk) 16:23, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Max Heindel[edit]

It has been shown fairly conclusively (see Thomas McEvilley in exhib. cat. Yves Klein, New York, Chicago, Paris 1982/83) that Klein's work can be entirely explained as an attempt to give visual shape to the writings and ideas of the Rosicrucian mystic Max Heindel. It is therefore odd that the article does not mention Heindel. 87.79.173.159 (talk) 09:54, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Since you seem to have the supporting reliable sources, why don't you add this to the article yourself? This is after all one of the basic ideas behind Wikipedia: one editor may well be aware of facts that no one else has come across yet.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 20:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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"Aero works" as "Leap into the Void" and redundancy with the "Void" section?[edit]

Two points:

1. I replaced "Aero works" with "Leap into the Void" because the section described only one such work. In a search of the internet for "Aero works" and "Klein", I failed to find any others. If there are others and the section is added to describe them, then the original title could be reinstated.

2. The paragraph on the "Void" seems as if it belongs in the "Void" section or is that just a coincidence? Help! Robert P. O'Shea (talk) 07:21, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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