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On what basis is there period after'' the "D"? john k 05:03, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Merge discussion closed as not relevent to article. Content "added" from article with merge and AFD in progress

Merger proposal[edit]

There's a separate stub article about Daniel Tompkins's wife Hannah, but, given the level of development of that article and the fact that Hannah Tompkins seems to have had little historical significance outside being the Veep's wife, I propose that the information in the Hannah Tompkins article be merged into a "Family" section in this article and [[Hannah Tompkins be redirected here. Thoughts? --Dynaflow babble 15:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, merge! Kraxler (talk) 13:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As the Wife of the Vice President of the United States perhaps she should have her own page.-Emargie (talk) 20:41, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Women are people too! With reference made to her "office" as "Second Lady" of the United States it seems appropriate to me that she has her own small page. Gevan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.37.209.77 (talk) 15:35, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is one case where WP:NOTINHERITED need not apply. I think the US Second Ladies are notable by default, and that a merger is not appropriate. PK T(alk) 11:59, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Title of the stub should be renamed to Hannah Minthorne Tompkins. Hannah Tompkins was an American artist (1920-1995) known for her works on Shakespearean themes. ^[1] ^[2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beflat (talk • contribs) 20:17, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Problem solved because the artist's article title was changed to Hannah Tompkins (artist). PK T(alk) 11:59, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I say merge, nothing is notable by default and WP:NOTINHERITED does indeed apply 71.192.108.214 (talk) 18:11, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why not? The Article seems to be a stub. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.191.49.80 (talk) 16:57, 22 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Wife of the Vice President of the United States page mentioned above has a list of all of the "Second Ladies", with links to articles; none are currently "red", so elsewhere in WP, the standard is being set that the "office of Second Lady" merits an article, albeit of stub length, if that's all the content that is available. Lini (talk) 11:25, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Shakespeare in American Painting", 1993 by Richard Studing ISBN 0-8386-3408-7
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Merge discussion[edit]

It has been suggested that this page be merged. The merge discussion seems to have strayed from this article but some content may need to be added here from the other article as a section or smaller mention and merger proposal be closed. Done--Amadscientist (talk) 14:23, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

At least four editors were against the merge, there was no consensus to merge, obviously.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 16:25, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The article in question contains information that relates to this subject and that contents has been Selective paste merged. This article is the target article and the Hannah article is in a separate AFD discussion, but the discussion here is preserved. If the article is deleted it can be redirected here. If it remains this article is not effected.--Amadscientist (talk) 21:17, 29 February 2012 (UTC) Merge was partial not full contnet from host article and is attributed with no redirect.--Amadscientist (talk) 13:56, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

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I believe there may be an error in the second to past paragraph unless I'm misreading. It states:

"Tompkins County, Tompkins Square Park in Manhattan, and the Town of Tompkins are named after him. Daniel D. Tompkins gained a slight notoriety in 20th century cinema, when he was mentioned by Kris Kringle in Miracle on 34th Street during his psychological evaluation. (However, the screenplay erred: Kringle mentions that Tompkins served as vice-president under John Quincy Adams when it was actually John C. Calhoun The error is most likely due to confusion arising from the fact that Tompkins was the 6th vice-president and Quincy Adams was the 6th president. However, the two did not serve office concurrently because previous presidents had multiple vice-presidents)."

...when the top of the page states he served under James Monroe. I happen to live in the shadows of St. Mark's in the Bowery Church, about 80 feet from VP Tompkins' grave; I walked past it tonight and always remember he became a nationally-known hero due to heroics as Gov. of NY state during the War of 1812 when the British were attacking upstate NY from Canada. This isn't mentioned in the article (I actually am new to wikipedia and don't know how to post!). Also, NYC's Dutch grandfather Petrus (Peter) "Peg Leg Pete" Stuyvesant, of fame & legend, is buried just feet from Mr. Tompkins in the wall of the church. Check HIM out.

1/4/07

Middle Name. The question of Daniel Tompkins' middle name/initial is destined to linger. He was the first vice president or president to have a middle name. There were no rules for middle names at the time. A middle name could be whatever you said it was on the day you were asked.

Birthplace. When I found this entry today (Dec. 2008), it repeated the common wording that he was born "in Fox Meadows, later Scarsdale)". Although Scarsdale was not a town until 1788, the area had been known as Scarsdale since 1701 at the latest. The original Fox Meadow (or Fox Meadows) has been described as a farm or an estate, but in either case, it's odd to say he was born "in" Fox Meadow. Nowadays, you can say "in Fox Meadow" because it's a recognized neighborhood. I realize I'm going against a lot of recognized sources by changing the wording to "in Scarsdale at his home, the estate of Fox Meadow," but it seems that very little thought was put into the common wording and it was then spread verbatim.

--Danaxtell (talk) 20:03, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] "Shakespeare in American Painting", 1993 by Richard Studing ISBN 0-8386-3408-7

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