Talk:Voeren

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NPOV[edit]

SF:(23:50 23/09/05, 23:20 23/11/05) I have tried my best to edit the article to make it neutral. I am an English person who has visited Fourons and discussed the issue with people from both the Francophone and Flemish communities in their own languages (I speak both French and Flemish/Dutch).

I have not mentioned all the historical issues, since I'd need to check the facts first. As I understand it, the Fourons issue twice caused the fall of the Belgian government. I have mentioned the 1987 occasion, from Dutch Wikipedia articles. The violence was mostly in the period 1977-81, and shots were fired on at least one occasion. However, nowadays it has calmed down a lot, and families from the two language communities seem to live more or less separate lives alongside each other.

As for the dialect issue, after hearing the local people speaking the dialect I would say it sounds quite similar to Limburgish. If you understand Dutch, read the discussion on http://home.scarlet.be/~ping0803/Dorpen/dialect.htm

Hardouin, you put the NPOV tag. Could you explain what is unclear or needs to be adjusted so we can give our opinio ? Lvr 14:39, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I have added the word allegedly to the statement on the gangs.

Another linguistic problem came to my attention, it says related to Limburgish dialects. This seems unlikely. Another problem is the diversity of limburgish and other linguistic forms in this area.

Sarcelles 22:50, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Why wouldn't the dialect of Voeren be a Limburgian dialect? Voeren is adjacent to Dutch Limburg, which is linguistically one with at least the eastern part of Belgian Limburg. The remark that Voeren is safe as long as you stay away from municipal buildings is funny. Have there ever been attacks on those? And what have the francophone gangs done except crossing out Dutch words and names on street signs and painting slogans on walls? If there have been serious harrassments from one or both sides, they deserve to be mentioned. Markussep 13:53, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You can not see this separated from (Komen and Moescroen)

there is a difference in the belgian Law between bilingual and monolingual with "faciliteiten" (facilities???)for the other language 213.119.9.126 23:39, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Limburgs is not a Dutch dialect. Voerens is a dialect of Limburgs, but Limburgs is not a dialect of Dutch. reverting now. 194.72.105.126 (talk) 06:48, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Facilities, only there since 1988?[edit]

"In 1988 concessions to the Francophone inhabitants were made. The powers of the provincial government of Limburg were curtailed and more autonomy was given to the municipality. The government of Wallonia was allowed to build facilities for Francophones in Voeren."

Is this correct? I thought those facilities have been there since the sixties? Thanks,Evilbu 15:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The linguistic facilities have indeed been there previous to 1988, and the way they exist right now date back from the 1962/1963 period when Voeren was transferred from the province of Liège to the province of Limburg. I think the comment made about 1988 has to do with the fact that for some elections (I should have to find out which ones) inhabitants of Voeren are offered the possibility to cast their vote in nearby Aubel (part of the Walloon region, so I think it's probably for the elections for the Walloon regional parliament, and those for the French speaking community). Wallonia as a region has no authority to "build" facilities in a territory being part of another region in this case Flanders. Boerkevitz 12:44, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article on Voeren in the Dutch Wikipedia states that the possibility to vote in Aubel is valid for the elections of the European and Federal parliament only, and it came into being after the 1987 governement crisis over Voeren as compensation towards the French speaking community for the fact that José Happart could no longer run for mayor in Voeren (due to the fact that he was unable to preside over the town council in Dutch as required by law). So it is not a question of Limburg being curtailed and Wallonia building facilities. Boerkevitz 13:14, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What is the name of the indeed enclave Voeren sits in?[edit]

Sorry but this enclave must have its own name?

Seems a conspiracy to withhold it.

The more smarter-brained, can openly see that this enclave is the aftermath Frenchification/Francophone imperialism.

The gaps either side unbind Dutch-speaking Belgium from a natural 'straight-through' border with both German-speaking Belgium but also Germany itself. Sigh. Franco-imperialism aka EU aka the goatnoses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:490:A600:8AE:846E:FC61:DAA (talk) 23:45, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Francophone imperialism annexed Dutch-speaking and German-speaking either side of Voeren[edit]

The 'Walloons' just help themselves to a imposed border with both the Netherlands and Germany that in a fair-minded world would never of existed. Its all a cog - Francophone flattery, the EU, then the NWO, and the hateful goatnoses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:490:A600:8AE:846E:FC61:DAA (talk) 23:57, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]