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Gaaah! For no good or obvious reason, my 16-colour PNG seems to want to display as a negative image. If someone can fix this, they're invited. --User:Ihcoyc

I fixed it by adding a sepia tone to the picture. --User:Ihcoyc

Roman with toga over the head = priest[edit]

When a Roman is shown with a toga drawn over their head it signifies that they are representing the role of a priest. Another example is the "Portrait of Augustus as priest"

Simply officiating. Not "representing the role of a priest" whatever "representing that role" might signify. A more accurate explication of this gesture would be a propos here --Wetman 00:34, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ara Pacis[edit]

It is the Altar to Peace and the Altar of Augustus, but not the Altar to the Peace of Augustus. I fixed the text. --Wetman 01:00, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I hope you can clarify. Is not the proper translation "Altar of the Augustan Peace" ? Certainly it is not the Altar of Augustus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaius stern (talk • contribs) 00:10, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

triumphal/triumphant[edit]

An editor has changed 'triumphant return' to 'triumphal return,' linking to Roman triumph. But Augustus didn't celebrate a triumph over Hispania and Gaul; despite some military action, his time there was mainly about administration and organization. That's the whole point of an Altar of Peace. As Michele Lowrie put it in Writing, Performance, and Authority in Augustan Rome, "The Ara Pacis rather displaces a triumph through the declaration not of victory, but of peace." But since the average reader (or editor) won't necessarily get the fine distinction between "triumphant" and "triumphal," I'm just going to reword the sentence without the misleading "triumphant". Cynwolfe (talk) 03:08, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It occurs to me (too lazy to research it) that adventus, not triumphus, might be the technical difference. Cynwolfe (talk) 12:39, 14 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note to self/other editors[edit]

Dumézil is referenced at least twice in this article, yet he is very archaic. I'm minded to remove any assertions based on his work; scholarship on the AP has moved on rather a lot since the 1940s, after all. AGK [•] 03:28, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pollini and the South Wall[edit]

I have edited the 'South Wall' section because of the person who decided to interpose their disagreements within my section on Pollini's opinion regarding the Domitii Ahenobarbi rather than providing their own separate opinion on the matter.

To that person, if you have a different opinion, then provide it separately. Then we can let the reader decide which opinion they prefer. (Interposing looks messy).

To make matters worse, you provided an opinion without any supporting evidence with "The error on Suetonius' part is to be preferred...".

You write: "... because Gnaeus appears to be the companion of Gaius Caesar Caligula", when I'm pretty sure that you know full well that that is an unproven hypothesis by Syme. The only evidence we have for Gnaeus Ahenobarbus being a companion of a Gaius Caesar is that of Suetonius, and he is quite clear that he is referring to the grandson of Augustus. So unless you have any actual evidence that contradicts Suetonius' testimony...?

Then you say: "whose sister he married", which has no impact on the age of Gnaeus. Yes, if he was born c. 17BC, he would have been over three decades older than his bride. However, considering that Agrippa was born c. 64/3BC and Julia was born in late 39BC (a gap of around 25 years), and Valeria Messalina born c. 17/20 AD to Claudius' 9 BC, (making her just under 30 years younger than her husband), the age gap means nothing.

In terms of your protestations regarding Gnaeus' career delay, apart from Agrippa Postumus and Claudius, there is yet another relative of Augustus whose career was limited: Lucius Antonius, the son of Iullus and Claudia Marcella Major. In his case, it was his father's actions that resulted in his exile, which is surely an even worse reason than a violent character to have an effect on a career. So the delay in Gnaeus' career becomes even less unusual, as including him, there would be four descendants of either Augustus or Octavia Minor (out of 9) to have no or a late career. Knobbishly1 (talk) 08:10, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Needs consolidation[edit]

I just did some edits to consolidate things and shorten the intro. However the article could use some more consolidation. For example, the N & S walls are treated first under external walls, then again in their own sections. Can we merge all that somehow? - Eponymous-Archon (talk) 17:43, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Lex Aria[edit]

Does anyone know the source for the altar displaying the so-called "lex aria"? I have never heard of this law, cannot make sense of it cannot trace it in (online) encyclopaedias. I think this might be an error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.2.72.249 (talk) 21:00, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Still at it?[edit]

"The mayor's office said Alemanno hopes to complete the project before the end of his term in 2013."

Time for an update, perhaps? 2A02:AA1:1023:7066:4C5C:ACF0:E61B:58AE (talk) 19:57, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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