Talk:Russian Public Opinion Research Center/Archive 1
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Naming conventions
I copied the content written by User:Andris and me on User:172/VTsIOM sandbox and started the article. The article still needs a note on the naming conventions, an intro, and a section on methodology. 172 12:29, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)
(Posting by User:A. Shetsen taken from Talk:Russian constitutional crisis of 1993)
- Thanks a lot, 172! So, here's my take on it. Sorry if I'm duplicating known information... R Всероссийский Центр Изучения Общественного Мнения (ВЦИОМ) /vs'eross'ijsk'ij tsentr izutS'enija obS'estv'enn@v@ mn'en'ja/ lit. "All-Russian Centre for the Study of Public Opinion". The letter in question is Ц /ts/. Wiki-SAMPA and the Google test, therefore, call for VTsIOM. However: the C transliteration is quite common in Russia today for the Ц, especially in several computer-latinizations of Cyrillic (which are used if nothing but a Latin keyboard is available). C=Ц is traditional: the Russian reading of the letters of the alphabet used to write Latin has been /a/, /bE/, /tsE/, etc., since at least the eighteenth century, and was given further support by C's former use in German: 18th c. accent > 20th c. akzent /aktsEnt/ "accent". Self naming and a known historical tradition therefore support VCIOM. My conclusion? almost a coin toss, but... Go with VCIOM or VTsIOM (Rus ВЦИОМ) for the first reference, VCIOM for all the ones following and for the title. I can very easily see someone coming across that entity for the first time in Wikipedia surfing over to V..IOM's web site if they are really interested. A. Shetsen 18:03, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Wow! Thanks for all the help! I'll get ready to write the article. 172 01:24, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Added several sections - on methodology, history, projects, staff, criticisms, science and teaching, etc... Stenton (talk) 14:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
- Stenton: Your addition seems to have erased some of the quotes and references. I moved them over to Levada Center for now. Please consider improving the grammar and wikifying the text with related articles. I do not understand why your addition had to erase the previous work of others.--ilgiz (talk) 15:51, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ilgiz, the text about VCIOM had little to do with it. It was dedicated mostly to one of its former directors - Yuri Levada. And overlooked its founder Tatyana Zaslavskaya, its current director Valery Fedorov. Had nothing in there about other marketing and sociological centers of the FSU that sprouted from VCIOM - among them FOM and Comcon (the leading polling companies in moder Russia), for instance. It also had nothing about VCIOM's organizational structure, methodology, scientific work, projects, etc... Even the history section was, again, centered around one person - Levada. I think you decision to move it to the web-page of Levada-Center at Wiki is a good one and support it. Or, maybe, it would have been even better to move it to the web-page of Yuri Levada. As for the quotes and references - mea culpa, will check this and try to bring them back!!! Stenton (talk) 09:27, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ilgiz, I returned the quotes and references you mentioned were deleted by me by chance in the course of editing. Kind regards. Stenton (talk) 10:10, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
- Stenton: Your addition seems to have erased some of the quotes and references. I moved them over to Levada Center for now. Please consider improving the grammar and wikifying the text with related articles. I do not understand why your addition had to erase the previous work of others.--ilgiz (talk) 15:51, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
- Added several sections - on methodology, history, projects, staff, criticisms, science and teaching, etc... Stenton (talk) 14:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
- Wow! Thanks for all the help! I'll get ready to write the article. 172 01:24, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot, 172! So, here's my take on it. Sorry if I'm duplicating known information... R Всероссийский Центр Изучения Общественного Мнения (ВЦИОМ) /vs'eross'ijsk'ij tsentr izutS'enija obS'estv'enn@v@ mn'en'ja/ lit. "All-Russian Centre for the Study of Public Opinion". The letter in question is Ц /ts/. Wiki-SAMPA and the Google test, therefore, call for VTsIOM. However: the C transliteration is quite common in Russia today for the Ц, especially in several computer-latinizations of Cyrillic (which are used if nothing but a Latin keyboard is available). C=Ц is traditional: the Russian reading of the letters of the alphabet used to write Latin has been /a/, /bE/, /tsE/, etc., since at least the eighteenth century, and was given further support by C's former use in German: 18th c. accent > 20th c. akzent /aktsEnt/ "accent". Self naming and a known historical tradition therefore support VCIOM. My conclusion? almost a coin toss, but... Go with VCIOM or VTsIOM (Rus ВЦИОМ) for the first reference, VCIOM for all the ones following and for the title. I can very easily see someone coming across that entity for the first time in Wikipedia surfing over to V..IOM's web site if they are really interested. A. Shetsen 18:03, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Requested move
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The result of the move request was: moved. Number 57 11:56, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
VTSIOM → Russian Public Opinion Research Center – Move to full, proper name (WP:TITLE). DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 09:42, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
- Support - No English reader would recognize the lesser-known acronym. --George Ho (talk) 19:57, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
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