Talk:Edwin van der Sar

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reference to the rumour[edit]

I think the reference to the rumour Van Der Sar may be cheating on his wife should be removed- it's libelous, and totally unsupported. I can't seem to do it though- it doesn't appear on the edit page, just in the article itself. Does it need a moderator or something?AM Glen 19:53, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see it. I did revert something about him and van Nistelrooy being gay partners, though. Is that what you mean? x42bn6 Talk 16:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, that wasn't it, but it's been removed now anyway. i guess someone else reverted it.AM Glen 20:00, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah i think it should be removed because the Dutch press did not confirm anything like that and it was just a speculation neither did he or his wife comment on it.User:Maverick thatsme 12:12, 1 May 2007(UTC)

Height[edit]

"He is one of the most identifiable keepers in Europe because of his height (1.97 m/6' 5½")." All keepers are big! Why is 1.97 m remarkable!

I have removed this comment as his height is not really that remarkable for a goalkeeper, he is tall even for this position but not remarkably so (there are several taller keepers in the Premiership that I can think of, Chris Kirkland for example). Rje 19:34, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

shay given??? 1m and same of mm

Chris Kirkland is at least two inches shorter than Edwin van der Sar. Kirkland's height is mostly noted as 6'3"/191cm. Volkov talk 16:19, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Penalty shootout[edit]

"That save gave Arjen Robben the chance to win the game for the Netherlands and hand them their first victorious shootout ever."

It certainly wasn't the first victorious shootout ever, just the first in a long time.

"During the penalty shootout at the end of the Euro 2004 quarter-final against Sweden, van der Sar saved a penalty from Olof Mellberg. That save gave Arjen Robben the chance to win the game for the Netherlands. That puts him in the top fifty most capped players of all time." -???

He's known as VDS[edit]

To the person who reverted my edit (86.133.35.212): Edwin van der Sar is referred to as VDS by Man Utd fans, just as Ruud Van Nistelrooy was referred to as RVN. Either explain why VDS isn't a valid nickname or stop removing it from the article. Kronix1986 01:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

did you reference it? might be why it was reverted. tbh, though, i'm a man utd fan, and i have never ever heard him referred to as VDS, nor ruud being referred to as RVN... a select few fans does't warrant a nickname. technically a nickname is someone his friends will call him, not a bunch of people that don't know him! 77.97.18.22 (talk) 22:32, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Van der Sar or van der Sar?[edit]

Is the surname with a capital V when written separately? The article uses both forms.--Svetovid 00:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on how you use it. If you use just the surname it is Van der Sar, but when you use his full name it should always be Edwin van der Sar. Knurftendans 01:33, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's not entirely correct. From the perspective of someone who works with and develops datastandards in the Netherlands a dutch name consists of three elements. First name | prefix | Last name. Prefix is not mandatory of course but should always be written in lower case. Exceptions are parts of names which seem like prefixes but are in fact part of the last name. However, no dutch names have this exception. Normally the name should always be 'van der Sar' except when used in the beginning of a sentence of course. Leekah (talk) 19:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but you are wrong. A prefix is capitalized if no first name precedes it. See e.g. Tussenvoegsel, or [[1]], if you read Dutch.Erik (talk) 23:20, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Van Der Sar[edit]

Van der sar's first name is Edwin.He aws born on the 29th October 1970 and is 37 yers old.He was born in Holland or Dutch people would say Netherlands —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.164.74 (talk) 15:44, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

wow, want a coconut?! tell us something we didn't already know... seriously... 77.97.18.22 (talk) 22:29, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

13 Years apart...[edit]

Winning the European Cup I 13 years apart (1995 with Ajax, now in 2008 with Man Utd.), could that possibly some sort of record? Maybe just for a goal keeper? 82.170.131.213 (talk) 23:13, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Probably for a goalkeeper, I'm sure Paolo Maldini beats him for the overall record, though. JACOPLANE • 2008-05-21 23:26

Pictures[edit]

I have a picture that has full permission from the photographer to be used on this page, infact he is quite excited about it being used. I am not able to upload it myself, can anyone else do this?

Here is the link to the picture in question

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/Lianne_Depp/65c95d9bbf72bee05aacca30445bb81f.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sterrenlicht (talk • contribs) 03:49, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its fake you idiot --NuparuMahnika (talk) 02:46, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, no, it isn't fake, actually. It is in fact a photo from the 'War' Dutch national team photoshoot taken by Erwin Olaf (a respected photographer, I might add) in 2008, and if you're still not convinced, you can watch a video of that very photo being taken over here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aW8Qgz7of8.

135.196.27.62 (talk) 07:39, 17 November 2009 (UTC)(signed AKA, not the poster above)[reply]

Question[edit]

I Edwin van der Sar the only goalkeeper to win the Champions League with two different clubs? I couldn't think of anyone else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.5.187.219 (talk) 20:31, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Clarence Seedorf has won it with 3 different clubs.

Clarence Seedorf is not a goalkeeper. – PeeJay 21:48, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

clean sheet record not correct?[edit]

can we get something straight here? chris woods has come out and said that van der sar HAS NOT beaten his record, as chris woods record of 1196 mins is in ALL COMPETITIONS (as he played a couple of cup games within his record) and therefore van der sar needs another FEW games to beat this record, due to him losing that goal in japan... fair enough. so if van der sar's record is for league games only, then he did not beat chris woods. it would also bring bobby clark of aberdeen into the frame, who held the world record at 20hours 46 mins, which is 1246mins, so even van der sar doesn't beat that!! see afc site for the info. how do we find out what is correct?? see chris's page which states "From November 1986 to January 1987, Woods set a British record by playing 1196 consecutive minutes of competitive football without conceding a goal". there's also a few news websites carrying the story from chris woods disputing the claims! so again, who is right, and how do we really find out the truth??? 77.97.18.22 (talk) 00:32, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Uefa.com had a story on it, along with other famous keepers that have records in longest time without goals conceded:

Quote: 1,390 minutes, Dany Verlinden, Club Brugge KV Verlinden won five Belgian titles with the 'Blauw-Zwart' in a 16-year spell between 1988 and 2004, and once held the record – later broken by Alessandro Costacurta – for being the oldest player in the UEFA Champions League. He was 40 years, three months and 24 days old when he featured against AFC Ajax in December 2003. His claim to fame, though, remains this incredible run which spanned 16 matches from 3 March 1990 to 26 September 1990.77.97.18.22 (talk) 00:45, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was also under the impression that this is a league only record, if Chris Woods record is all competition VDS shouldn't have beaten it yet. As you said, he conceded in japan. (And if it matters, he's not been the keeper for Man Utd in consecutive matches when It comes to all competitions, wouldn't that break a all competitions consecutive record?). I also wonder, wasn't he substituted in some game due to injury? I have some memory of that at least. — CHANDLER#10 — 01:41, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As for the world record, that belongs to Geraldo Pereira de Matos doesn't it? Surely his 1816 minutes is more than Abel Resino's 1275 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.160.15.230 (talk) 20:10, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's correct, this bloke ran by the name Mazaropi or something holds the record. Gruen (talk) 20:15, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
this is exactly what i'm talking about. we've taken it as correct, because sky and setanta commentators are mentioning it in games. but where are they getting the info from? surely someone higher up has to realise they are making a huge cock-up!! don't get me wrong, i'm absolutely thrilled for edwin, but i'd prefer it was correct!! as for him not playing in consecutive games, i don't think that would break the all competitions record, as he's not played. kinda hard to explain that one, lol! tbh, maybe if he had played in the derby game, we wouldn't have lost, lmao!! don't remember him getting substituted either, was that not earlier in the season? 77.97.18.22 (talk) 21:17, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to the Manchester United website, Edwin van der Sar now holds the record for the most minutes without conceding a goal in British league football, with 1,212 minutes. The previous record was held by Bobby Clark of Aberdeen, who didn't concede for 1,155 minutes in 1970–71. (http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={F9E570E6-407E-44BC-800F-4A3110258114}&redirectorid=news_story&newsid=6626680)

How should the record coming to an end be written... The record as I understood was consecutive minutes in the League (as he did not play in games like the Champions league, FA Cup, League Cup), and not as he didnt play yesterday his record was broken by not playing... Some report Man Utd's record to be 1333 minutes some 1334 minutes in the Premier League without conceding. (And no the record is not still on because he didnt play, it breaks the consecutive part, a goalie can't be substituted on in the 80th minute of 100 games and claim a 1000minute consecutive clean sheet record.) — CHANDLER#10 — 19:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Of course it's still on! Who said it's not still on? – PeeJay 00:31, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Everyone... for the reason it's a record of consecutive minutes in a league not conceding... You can't skip games in consecutive, like I said, would you count someone who gets on for 10 minutes for 100 games without conceding as someone who's done 1000 minutes straight without conceding? "Santa Cruz's goal ended United's 1,333-minute clean-sheet record in the league" and "But for a side that had gone 1,334 minutes without conceding a league goal it was inconceivable that so many players could have been to blame...". Im sure I read the same thing on a bbc article after the match but I couldnt find it now — CHANDLER#10 — 01:56, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Those quotes refer to Manchester United's clean sheet record, not to Van der Sar's. Van der Sar's record still continues. – PeeJay 02:02, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But they are the same... since he didnt play consecutive games the record lived on with the team until Santa Cruz scored... as I said someone who doesn't play consecutively can't say he's got a consecutive record can he? — CHANDLER#10 — 02:10, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Tbh, while that makes sense, I've not heard of any sources that are claiming that Van der Sar's record is over. Maybe we should wait until the next game he plays before definitively saying that the record is over. – PeeJay 07:52, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually http://live.skysports.com/LiveCentre/teamtalk/live.html does mention that van der sar's record is over. Go to that paticular game and scroll down to the text just below the 1 minute text. Syjytg (talk) 10:23, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Van der Sar's personal record is officially still ongoing. That's because Fifa accept Mazaropi as the world record holder. And how long did he take? 16 months. For 20 games. Do we really think that Vasco played only 20 league games in 16 months. No. So it continues. I'm personally dubious about Mazaropi's record. I'd have El-Batal as world record holder. The 10 minutes for 100 games objection is a fair one, theoretically. Highly unlikely to actually happen. But I think Mazaropi came as close as anyone - and he's got the record. Pistachio disguisey (talk) 22:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Does even fifa keep a list? I've never seen anything like that. But still... If you say van der sars record continues... then the rules are changed.. as far as I know the record was always without conceding in the League and not games van der Sar was in, the Club World Cup for example where he played and conceded was not counted because it was consecutive league clean sheets. — CHANDLER#10 — 22:47, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
http://www.iffhs.de/?b4a390f03be4ac07cda14b45fdcdc3bfcdc0aec70aed09
This list is recognised by Fifa. Last week I was thinking that Van der Sar was very close to the 'real' world record, because Mazaropi's is nonsense. But now its his 'get out of jail free' card. If VDS's record was over, then it ended at 1302, not 1334, because you can't count Kuszczak's half hour towards VDS's record. With the all-competitions record, Chris Woods has used the WCC and VDS's rests as reasons why he still holds it. But if the latter is valid, VDS is rested so much that he could never break it. And Woods seemed to admit that if VDS gets up to 1200 since the Gamba game, then he breaks it, regardless of Kuszczak and Foster's concessions. Pistachio disguisey (talk) 00:20, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Apps"?[edit]

Seeing those statistics, I, as a non-soccer fan, have no clue as to what this "Apps" is supposed to mean. Could anyone enlighten me or edit the page with an explaination? 80.101.171.2 (talk) 01:51, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Apps = Appearances. By the way, just out of curiosity, if you're not a football fan, how did you end up looking at this article? – PeeJay 12:20, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Retirement[edit]

He's only retired from international football, not club football. If he's retired from the latter, I'd like to see some proof before we put it back in the article.-66.159.118.18 (talk) 15:37, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Best European goalkeeper[edit]

Hi all,

Van der Sar - 2nd paragraph: Van der Sar was named best European goalkeeper in 1995, 2008, 2009 and 2010.

Casillas - When clicking on the link "Best European Goalkeeper" in the 2nd paragraph of Van der Sar you will see that the list is showing Iker Casillas as winner in 2009 and 2010. Casillas' Wikipedia page says he won the price for best goalkeeper in Europe in 2008 and 2010, rather inconsistent. The Real Madrid website shows that Casillas won the award in 2008 and 2009. The inconsistency is complete. Sourcve: http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/en/1193041476158/1193041476328/jugador/Jugador/Casillas.htm

Could someone find out who won the award for best European goalkeeper in the last 5 years?

Feyenoord010 (talk) 13:29, 28 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Error to be corrected[edit]

Regarding his experience in Italy is written: "The following season, Van der Sar helped Juventus finish 2 points behind eventual champions A.S. Roma." Actually the eventual champion team that year was the S.S. Lazio. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.168.1.184 (talk) 19:29, 28 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Best European goalkeeper[edit]

my mistake Feyenoord010 (talk) 13:40, 28 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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