Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Guru (sociology)

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The result of the debate was - should be merged - SimonP 13:10, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

Guru (sociology)

POV fork created today of guru to get rid of critical material. There is no concept of guru in sociology. Most founders of NRMs are Hindu gurus. Some Western founders of NRMs like Adi Da and Andrew Cohen are or were disciples of Hindu gurus. See also Talk:Guru#Guru_in_Hinduism_and_Buddhism_cannot_be_separted_from_guru_.28sociology.29. .Besides the title is wrong: only four of the nine scholars and scientists that are cited are sociogists. Merge with guru Andries 17:57, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Sociological analysis of gurus—especially some of the more obscure information that you have contributed—is only tangentially related to the doctrine of the guru in Eastern religion. --goethean 17:46, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

wrong, they analyze the guru in Eastern religion, Eastern and Western society. Your argument is the same as saying that the sociological view of religion cannot treat at that article. Andries 17:53, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

No, that doesn't follow. A religious doctrine is not the same type of thing as religion in general. --goethean

• Agree with deletion. Article is ill-named and consists primarily of argumentative material, the author of which is the one requesting its deletion. Mkweise 18:23, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

• Guru of all types use personal influence and have some power on other people or groups. Thus the whole guru phenomenom could be related to sociology, or better, social psychology. There is no need to have a specific article where some gurus (the western flavour) would be related to sociology while others (the eastern flavour) would not be. To split the guru article in two article makes an artificial distinction. Merge with guru 11 May 2005 user:Pgreenfinch
• Delete, POV fork. Megan1967 06:43, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

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