Talk:Stanley Matthews

Neutrality

The POV language of this article needs to be toned down. RickK 23:05, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

Attempted. --Ben davison 11:40, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Good job. I've removed the npov header. RickK 20:43, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

I agree. Also the grammar is rather atrocious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.149.228.138 (talk) 15:52, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

No it is not.--EchetusXe 16:05, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Trivia

As regards Trivia, in my opinion there is a big mistake: in April 2nd, 1955 Stanley Matthews scored no goal in England-Scotland --80.104.88.41 23:59, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

I've changed it now: I think this is what whoever wrote it must have meant. I don't know for sure that this is true, so if you know for a fact that he didn't set up five of the goals please delete it. File:Yemen flag large.png CTOAGN (talk) 00:32, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, created is what I meant. Thanks for the clarification. The quote added recently about his death says 'January 2000'. Is this a copying error or just an error in the original quote? If it is the latter, maybe we should add '[sic]' so that people don't think it is our mistake? Ben davison 12:05, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

I added the reference to Matthews in Fever Pitch (1997 film), but I don't know how to add a reference. So I checked how many references there were, saw 173, and cited the quote as follows:

174. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119114/quotes?ref_=tt_trv_qu

Moderator may make it correctly added at his convenience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pacholeknbnj (talk • contribs) 19:45, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

You put <ref> at the start of your reference and </ref> at the end.--EchetusXe 19:47, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm no expert on Sir SM but multiple biographical sources state that his mother was Ada Matthews, not Elizabeth For example, https://ryan-pierce-r8x8.squarespace.com/biography .Selimap (talk) 10:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Vegetarian

Was he really a vegetarian? His teetotal status was always well know, but he doesn't even mention being a vegetarian in his Autobiography - citation to back up this statement would be nice 86.139.119.213 15:13, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

In his autobiography SM makes it clear that, while he had dietary views decades ahead of their time, he was not a vegetarian. He did however have a diet with no red meat and high on vegetables and fruit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.151.241.157 (talk) 20:09, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Bookings

I know the story about never being booked is often repeated, but bookings as a concept were only introduced in 1970. 68.144.160.23 (talk)

He mentions it frequently in his autobiography as a source of pride so I guess we should keep it.--EchetusXe 13:01, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Bot-created subpage

A temporary subpage at User:Polbot/fjc/Stanley Matthews was automatically created by a perl script, based on this article at the Biographical Directory of Federal Judges. The subpage should either be merged into this article, or moved and disambiguated. Polbot (talk) 14:35, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Oldest international player?

"On 15 May 1957, Matthews became the oldest player ever to represent his country. On his last appearance for England, in a 4–1 defeat to Denmark in Copenhagen, he was 42 years and 104 days old." But what about this from the South Wales Echo? The Billy Meredith artice doesn't mention this, but is it true? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:41, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

It could be ambiguous wording, i.e. his country means for England. - Dudesleeper talk 18:47, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it could. I had taken it to mean "oldest player (of any country) ever to represent his country". Maybe it could be made less ambiguous? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:05, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Stanley Matthews/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jezhotwells (talk • contribs • count) 02:21, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.

Disambiguations: England Schoolboys in the infobox needs disambiguating, I was unable to determine the correct target. Jezhotwells (talk) 02:25, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Linkrot: Repaired 2 and tagged one deadlink.[1] Jezhotwells (talk) 02:35, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

I aim to post a full review within 48 hours. Jezhotwells (talk) 02:35, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Checking against GA criteria

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   The article is reasonably well written, I made a few minor copyedits, but there are a large number of single sentences and short paragraphs, which should be consolidated into paragraphs.

   The Testimonials section is a list and would better incorporated into another section.

I merged the smaller paragraphs and incorporated the testimonials elsewhere.--EchetusXe 11:02, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

1. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   Ref #161[2] just redirects to the home [page and does not support the statement

   The majority of citations are to a primary source, his autobiography. This is likely to become a concern if you take this to FAC.

   All sources appear to be RS

Well spotted, I changed the text a bit to give a fuller account of his son, and used appropriate, working references I found on the player's article.--EchetusXe 10:37, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

1. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   Broad and thorough

2. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   NPOV

3. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

4. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   One image used with a suitable non-free use rationale

5. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   On hold for seven days for issues above to be sorted out. Jezhotwells (talk) 10:07, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

   Ok, all in order now. I am happy to list this as a Good Article. Congratulations! PS. I was there when Stoke beat Luton to win promotion and I can still remember his swerve and his goal. Jezhotwells (talk) 17:39, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

I believe I have resolved your concerns. Let me know if you have any other suggestions. Cheers.--EchetusXe 11:02, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Hibernians?

Why there is not any information about his management career in Hibernians?--Rapsar (talk) 23:21, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Competitive game aged 70

'He played his final competitive game in 1985, at the age of 70' is very misleading. Was that really a competitive game? What is the definition of 'competitive' in this context? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.133.19.225 (talk) 01:37, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

"an England Veterans XI against a Brazil Veterans XI in Brazil in 1985".--EchetusXe 09:16, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

The Usual Trendy Politikal Korectniz and Hartleyvale

"Most notable of his coaching experiences". Says who? "Most notable of his coaching experiences came when he established an all-black team in Soweto..... despite South Africa's harsh apartheid laws". One does not know whether to laugh or cry. Whatever the horrors of apartheid may have been, it did not include a ban on soccer teams, whether white, black or green.

I watched this great man play a demonstration match at Hartleyvale in Cape Town in about 1953 to a segregated crowd. I have mentioned this before in the article. The fact keeps disappearing.... I have no axe to grind. I merely have no time for suppressio veri and currently fashionable twaddle....121.219.160.145 (talk) 13:39, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Apartheid was a system of racial segregation in South Africa that was enforced between 1948 to 1994. Stanley Matthews was white. Stan's Men were black. This is more notable than his brief time coaching unsuccessfully in the Fourth Division. He played over 1,000 matches if we are including friendlies, I don't see why one friendly in 1953 warrants a special mention.--EchetusXe 14:49, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

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