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Former good article nomineeBronx High School of Science was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Alma Matter[edit]

No reference to the lyrics of this song would be complete without mentioning the tradition of adding "Oh, Baby...." just before the chorus "Hearken now". This was a running gag at my own graduation from its hallowed halls and I am reasonably well informed that it is a long-standing tradition. Partnerfrance (talk) 18:27, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So, add it to the article itself. Wikipedia is a DIY operation. Bellagio99 (talk) 23:17, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Solar panel[edit]

The solar panel produces 33.6 kW. This seems to be very little. It is not said how much it cost in the first place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.27.109.117 (talk) 15:32, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See Solar panel.
See Grid parity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.27.109.117 (talk) 09:44, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

test[edit]

how do I apply to take test — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.65.149 (talk) 20:40, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See Specialized High Schools Admissions Test UserDude (talk) 04:16, 5 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

[edit]

Hi, I'm not a regular contributor here, but I would like to note that the logo image used in the article is not the official school logo. Granted, it is commonly used. One example being on the school's website. However, on the yearbooks, class rings, and alumni association materials the official logo may still be found. It is the classic telescope/microscope split image. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.119.170.56 (talk) 04:59, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Alumni[edit]

Since there's an article about Bronx Science alumni already, shouldn't that section be trimmed a little? Otherwise, it may be a duplicate list. Epicgenius (talk) 20:06, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Alumni split[edit]

I have split off "Other notable alumni" again. Most of the entries are unreferenced, which is not optimal for an article of B-status; besides, there is a main article for this list, and references can be added there instead (where there are 104 references in the article, more than in here, with 85 refs as of this edit), as it is more organized and comprehensive. I am preparing the article for higher-quality status, so feel free to comment on that. – Epicgenius (talk) 13:36, 11 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The list here was supposed to be a summary of the longer article which has much more detail, photos,etc. The severely trimmed list that is here now seems kind of arbitrary - the list that had been here had been almost all blue links, so are assumed to be people who have some notability. The way it is now doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Tvoz/talk 00:02, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Transit[edit]

@John from Idegon: I think we should keep the transit section. It isn't unencyclopedic - it only lists the nearby subway stations and bus routes - and is sufficient enough to describe where this school is in context. epicgenius (talk) 19:38, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Which is only useful in the local context of getting to the school. The very definition of WP:NOTGUIDEBOOK, a piece of a pillar policy. John from Idegon (talk) 19:53, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOTGUIDEBOOK does not preclude mentioning the nearest subway stations and bus routes. If it mentioned the best food trucks, or places where students hung out at, that'd be different.
NOTGUIDEBOOK also does not preclude mentioning private bus lines like Gagnon, if appropriately cited. Ylee (talk) 21:01, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, the bus routes and subway stations are cited well. The section doesn't show things such as what are the fastest buses to the school, or where these trains go, which would violate NOTGUIDEBOOK. However, it does mention the bus and subway routes that run nearby (with a source), which arguably are helpful information. epicgenius (talk) 22:23, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You have no secondary sources that discuss the subject of the relationship between this school and public transit. There is an address and geocoordinate information already in the article which locate it adequately. There is no contextual purpose served by an entire section on the mass transit units that serve the school except to point people to how to get there, which is what a guidebook does. Knowing what bus or train to take to the school doesn't tell the reader one single thing about the school - it simply serves as directions for the users of the school. It's a widely accepted principle that we do not write human geography articles for the locals. We don't discuss school bus transportation in school articles, excepting those rare cases where something about the transportation system has been widely discussed in reliable secondary sources. An example of this might be those isolated schools in the west where kids ride the school bus on Sunday and Friday evening and stay in a dorm, or another parent's house all week. Public transit is NYC's school bus. It's not differentiating that kids take public transportation (which you've got no sources to verify BTW), and those details offer no knowledge useful to anyone except those associated with the school. John from Idegon (talk) 18:49, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@John from Idegon: The WikiMiniAtlas coordinates is hidden on the top of the page, where is collapsed by default and people are unlikely to see it. A more appropriate map would be a {{maplink}} where people could actually zoom in. That's the first problem.
The second problem is that this is not directions. That's a false equivalency. Right now, no one is telling the reader how to get to the school, nor which routes stop on which days. Other articles about landmarks also include brief transport information, but these are not unencyclopedic. We're just telling people that the subway and buses run nearby, and that's it.
Third, public transit is in no way comparable to a school bus, since (1) it's open to everyone, not just school kids and their caregivers, and (2) we're not telling people where these routes go. epicgenius (talk) 20:05, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@John from Idegon: This is a school that is supposed to serve the entire city, it is situated way north of most residents and it's been criticized for mostly serving students in higher economic strata. So the question of how students can get to school seems much more than a guidebook issue, it addresses the school's ability to provide upward mobility for the city's disadvantage populations.--agr (talk) 20:28, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with User Epigenius, and I'd go further--I was disturbed by the excessive editing by User John from Idegon. This is a world-famous school, and has served as a role model since the 1930s. Worth a bit more detail than usual. Admit personal COI. Bellagio99 (talk) 19:54, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Because you say this is a world famous school does not mean you put a bunch of poorly sourced junk in the article. If it is a world famous school, you should be able to find multiple high quality sources to support neutral high quality content. I removed nothing that had solid reliable secondary sources. Not one thing. Using this school's fame (lol intended) as an excuse to have a crufty crappy article is especially lame, as I fully realize this is a famous school. It didn't get famous from students bragging about other students, and it didn't get famous from what the school said about itself. But that is what I removed. The fact that we had a PR heavy, crufty article with little in the way of reliable secondary sources (which we no longer have) is inexcusable. I've greatly improved the article by excising the SCHOOLCRUFT. It was never a "B" level article, but now it's a clean neutral "C" class article and interested editors that want to actually do some work and find the quality sources that have to exist, the junk is out of the way. As far as any on-topic conversation goes, I've still not seen anyone mention any source that satisfies my insurmountable argument that there is no reliable secondary sources, and the only policy based arguement simply states you believe I am interpreting NOT incorrectly without explaining why. Not at all convincing. John from Idegon (talk) 21:40, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@John from Idegon: Personally, I think your edits were an overall improvement. However, I think a few things have been overkill, including removing the final subsection of the "History" section. These were reliably sourced to pages in the NY Times, and they were a little to detailed, but this could've been condensed instead of being removed entirely.
I didn't get the time to research for reliable secondary sources before. Here are some sources that indicate how hard it is to get to Bx Science by public transportation, and why the majority of the school's student population has to take yellow buses. NY Times 2003; NY Times 2008; NY Post; Queens Chronicle (local newspaper). And that's just the first page of Google search.
In this context, mentioning public transportation may be marginally important, but we can maybe cut it down to one or two sentences. How does that sound? epicgenius (talk) 01:06, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Number of acceptances[edit]

The page summary says "The test is extremely competitive, with only 800 of the 30,000 applicants being accepted to Bronx Science each year." –  I'm not sure that's accurate, as most years anyone who gets into Stuyvestant has a high enough score to have gotten into Bronx Science, and there may also be students going to other specialized schools like Brooklyn Tech with scores sufficient to get into Science but who rank the other school more highly. It seems more accurate to say that out of 30,000 students, only 1-2 thousand have the scores necessary to attend. (Although, if those other students would in fact chose to attend, the required score would become higher, such that in the end only 800 would have gotten scores high enough, so not sure exactly how to word it.) Ak0015 (talk) 18:51, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I mean technically due to the way ranked choice works, almost everyone who can get into Stuy can get into Bronx Science, but they always tweak the minimum score so that about 800 people are admitted to the school after the ranked choices are processed. RPI2026F1 (talk) 01:04, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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