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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Move the dab page to Black hat. It appears we have consensus that the name is ambiguous, so this is the default solution. Cúchullaint/c 14:01, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
PBS clearly thought that the hacker meaning was not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC when they moved the page. But it left Black hat (disambiguation) as the dab page, with Black hat redirecting to it, which is WP:MALPLACED. Perhaps there is no primary topic; in which case, yes, Black hat (disambiguation) should be moved to the base name. I have no opinion on the primary topic; I’m just trying to rectify the dab-page problem. — Gorthian (talk) 05:14, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I did not move the dab page as I thought that if someone objected to the move they could always change the redirect before requesting a move back. If I had moved the dab page to the redirect then it would have explicitly involved using administrative powers to which I thought that someone might object. The outcome of this RM can decide if the dab page should be moved. What I did was using AWB change all the links in article space that linked to black hat to link to Black hat (computer security) or to a redirect to Black hat (computer security), so that none of the links in article space would be linking to the dab page. -- PBS (talk) 16:28, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The problem is that "back hat" is very difficult common term to do an internet search on to ascertain what if anything is that primary topic for such a phrase. For example black hats are probably the second most common colour for military headgear after green hats. As a visual idiom it is probably best know a symbol for bad in cowboy movies (indeed this article used to make that point in 2008). Outside a very limited number of people who work in the computer security industry it is not used to mean a computer "hacker" as news sources call such people. With regards to Wikipedia policy WP:AT states in the first two bullet points under WP:NAMINGCRITERIA:
Recognizability – The title is a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area will recognize.
Naturalness – The title is one that readers are likely to look or search for and that editors would naturally use to link to the article from other articles. Such a title usually conveys what the subject is actually called in English.
So we have to assume that the person looking for the article is not an expert on "black hat hack[er]"ing and a "back hat" is also a common term outside the computer industry, therefore it is not unreasonable for there to be a dab extension at "black hat". -- PBS (talk) 16:28, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support making black hat the dab page. -- PBS (talk) 16:28, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
