Talk:Man with a Movie Camera

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IMHO all film buffs should see this--but the newer version with Vertov's music is much better than the pre-1996 one with the other soundtrack. Koyaanis Qatsi 06:29 Feb 20, 2003 (UTC)

It's bugging me about the paragraph I have on the cinema techniques. I know Vertov didn't originate all of these, and maybe not any of them; I just want to emphasize that the film was heavily experimental, and that these effects are not at all new, as many people today seem to think. Can anyone nail down the first known incidences of some of these effects--e.g. split screen, freeze frame, Dutch angle--or point me to where I can find out? Thanks, Koyaanis Qatsi

Wow, I didn't know about the 2002 version with the (yet newer) new soundtrack. I'll have to look for that one. I've seen the other two, and IMO the 2nd version with the soundtrack based in Vertov's notes is far superior. Koyaanis Qatsi 20:22 18 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I think the The Cinematic Orchestra version should be released on DVD in the next few weeks. You can probably get it/preorder via Ninja Tunes. By the way, I am not in anyway affilated with the label or band. Lexor 09:32 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Bold text I think that it is amazing what the filmmaker do in 1929 without all the effects that we have now. Of course it's an art of his time

Erm, isn't this actually called 'Man with a movie camera'? At least, that's the name on my bfi Michael Nyman DVD Rlongstaff

It's called both. My DVD has it "the," not that any DVD is the final authority. Koyaanis Qatsi 19:56, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There are no definitive articles in Russian or Ukrainian which is why the title varies in translation. Richerboss (talk) 20:36, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Soundtrack/DVD versions[edit]

I'm going to try and cataloque all the different soundtrack/DVD versions that are available right now, as there seen to be quite a lot. I'm not sure which one to buy myself. Any help that you can give is appreciated! I'm interested in that "pre-1996 score" that was mentioned earlier on this page as well. Esn 09:01, 25 April 2006 (UTC) I made a soundtrack of 'Man with a Movie Camera' for the BFI in 1981. An experimental music/audio fusion, it accompanied screenings of the film as a separate tape. It was never married to a print, but retains a loyal following. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.26.123.226 (talk) 13:21, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright[edit]

The screenshots have a mix of copyrights... I think it would be useful to clarify why this film is public domain. For Russia public domain is, according to Template:PD-Russia, published before Jan 1, 1954 and the creator died before then too. Vertov died later in 1954. So, is this really public domain? 128.175.83.175 16:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What about the sentence "Works belonging to the former Soviet government or other Soviet legal entities published before January 1st, 1954, are also public domain in Russia"? According to IMDB, it was produced by VUFKU. weren't almost all film companies throughout the USSR's history owned by the government? I know that in the late 1980s (perestroika) some privately-owned ones were founded, but I'm not sure what the situation was in the 1920s. Esn 21:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The copyright versions are those with a specially composed score or the 2014 restored version by Lobster Films and Eye Film Institute. Richerboss (talk) 20:39, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Credts[edit]

The box on the right side of the page credits Mikhail Kaufman as the cinematographer, but he actally plays the cameraman whom we see on camera, according to Michael O'Pray. Avant-Garde Film: Forms, Themes and Passions. Wallflower Press, London. 2003. ISBN 1 03364 56 6. I can't say who the actual cinematographer is. Probably Vertov himself. ralphy512 16:42, 19 August 2008

Mikhail Kaufman was the cinematographer, ie collaborated with his brother in the creative aspects of the film, and he also filmed the parts of Man with a Movie Camera where he was not on screen. Various other cameramen were involved – Boris Tseitlin (‘The Eleventh Year’ scenes used in the film, except those of the Volkhov Dam taken by Konstantin Kuliaev) and Georgii Nikolaevich Khimchenko for all the new scenes shot during 1928. Richerboss (talk) 20:45, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

cinematographer[edit]

the cinematographer is not Kaufman, or better, Kaufman is Vertov, he changed his name for an artistic mean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fravo93 (talk • contribs) 21:18, 15 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the identity of Kaufman/Vertov is dealt with by following the wikilink to Vertov. sinarau (talk) 10:14, 2 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The cinematographer was Mikhail Kaufman, he is credited in the film title as 'operator' which means cinematographer in Russian. He also filmed the parts of MwaMC when he was not on the screen. Various other cameramen were involved – Boris Tseitlin (‘The Eleventh Year’ scenes used in the film, except those of the Volkhov Dam taken by Konstantin Kuliaev) and Georgii Nikolaevich Khimchenko for all the new scenes shot during 1928 Richerboss (talk) 20:48, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

citation, citation, citation[edit]

This whole article is ridiculous. Someone clearly wrote large sections and included next-to-no citations whatsoever. There are no references, but statements that have clearly been taken from somewhere. If you put in information from your opinion, then remove it; if you put in information from a source, then bloody reference it. If references aren't put in soon then I shall just delete the offending articles.

195.195.81.209 (talk) 16:00, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On this subject--requests for citations--I notice that "citation needed" has been inserted after the quotation that ends the subsection "Initial" under the heading "Reception." But the quotation is taken from a passage earlier in the article, where it is clearly identified as coming from the title at the beginning of the film itself. Any reader who has been reading the article with reasonable attention knows the source of this quotation.Alostlady (talk) 05:11, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for notifying us, Alostlady. You are correct. However, the quotation of the film is ostensibly from a different translation than the quotation of the same title card earlier in the article, as the wording is different. AndrewOne (talk) 14:06, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Which cities ?[edit]

So is it Odessa, Kharkiv and Kiev, as stated in the introduction, or Moscow, Odessa and Kiev, as stated later on in the article? 213.119.26.53 (talk) 01:03, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Earlier version of the page, had this in the introduction: "... presents urban life in Odessa and other Soviet cities ..."
The introduction was altered recently, in this edit to include the other 2 names.
The "Production" section was added here
I haven't been able to find any reliable references via a brief google. I'll tag both instances as [citation needed], for now. Hopefully someone else can dig further. –Quiddity (talk) 17:04, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Source for Moscow found (with help from a friend), but still hunting for a RSource for Kharkiv. –Quiddity (talk) 03:58, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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