Talk:Bread and Roses

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Public domain[edit]

The song is old enough to be public domain. -- Jmabel 05:20, Jun 16, 2004 (UTC)

The Poem by James Oppenheim is old enough(1912); the music by Mimi Farina is not (1976). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.227.53.207 (talk • contribs) 12:01, 20 May 2005

Origins[edit]

Also, I believe recent scholarship has shown that the slogan did not emerge from the Lawrence strike. Does anyone else know more on this? - Jmabel | Talk 04:17, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See http://www.boondocksnet.com/labor/history/bread_and_roses_history.html

There are even earlier claims on pages linked from http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/qt-s_ros.html (though I'm not sure how well documented, and apparently not including the specific juxtaposition "bread and roses"). Churchh 20:27, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bruce Watson's Bread and Roses (ISBN 0-670-03397-9) argues that the slogan did not emerge from the Lawrence strike (pg. 256-7). His work is meticulously documented and I judge it highly reliable. I plan to incorporate it into the article relatively shortly. The relevant passage:

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Local legend has it that a photograph from the strike showed a woman holding a picket sign reading WE WANT BREAD, BUT WE WANT ROSES, TOO! No such photograph has ever been found. The phrase, eulogized in James Oppenheim's poem "Bread and Roses," was first published in American Magazine one month before the strike. The poem was prefaced: "Bread for all, and Roses, too -- a slogan of the women in the West." Oppenheim's poem was published twice more in 1912, once with the phrase attributed to "Chicago Women Trade Unionists." Then in 1916, "Bread and Roses" was indelibly linked to Lawrence when a labor anthology claimed the phrase came from the strike. From there the error grew. An anonymous composer set the words to music and the song was recorded by Judy Collins, among others. By the time Lawrence awoke to its past, it was surprised to find the lovely name attached to its long, bloody strike. No one seemed pleased.

"The strike of 1912, that's what it was," Catherine Simonelli told Immigrant City Archives in 1988. "It was no Bread and Roses. Bread and Roses sounds like something nice. But it wasn't anything nice.... That's why the people that saw what was going on, we do not like that name. I wish you'd tell somebody." Many protested in letters to editors, in conversation, in newspaper interviews, but the name stuck.

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That's from pages 256-257, and includes five citations that I've omitted. One of them references another, more recent, work by Zwick, the author of the first link above. -David Schaich ^Talk/_Cont 00:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moving this from main article[edit]

Removed as likely copyright violation. 💵Money💵emoji💵^{Talk💸Help out at CCI!} 03:23, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I moved this from the main page. Not only did its addition stomp on text that was already in the article, it is unwikified and needs to be properly formatted per WP:MOS, looks like lots of good information, but the writing is unencyclopedic and POV in places. Katr67 18:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bread & Roses Integrated Arts High School[edit]

Bread & Roses is the name of a NYC public school: http://schools.nyc.gov/SchoolPortals/05/M685/default.htm

might belong in the legacy portion of this article, or not I don't know much about the school, just noticed it's not on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.89.215.42 (talk) 19:13, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

External Links Section[edit]

This section is pretty far off the guidelines. Looks like the criteria is is any business, band, organization, event etc. with the term "Bread and Roses" in their name. SIncerley, 75.24.138.102 (talk) 18:12, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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AFL's role[edit]

Nlro (talk) 02:52, 9 May 2020 (UTC) I believe this edit should be made to clarify the AFL's role in the Bread and Roses strike. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nlro/sandbox Nlro (talk) 02:52, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rose Schneiderman[edit]

Wikipedia states that Rose Schneiderman was the person who cointed "bread and roses" from this speech.

"What the woman who labors wants is the right to live, not simply exist — the right to life as the rich woman has the right to life, and the sun and music and art. You have nothing that the humblest worker has not a right to have also. The worker must have bread, but she must have roses, too. Help, you women of privilege, give her the ballot to fight with.[10]"

so who really said it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.248.13.32 (talk) 21:26, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]