Talk:North Pole, Alaska

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It seems like there should be some mention of the oil refineries at North Pole. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.112.168.106 (talk) 17:36, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Is this really needed: "It is not the actual North Pole." My reaction to that was LOL. 85.217.20.107 (talk) 19:47, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. Too many articles needing help for the kind of time I may actually have, unfortunately. This one's usually near the top of my list, though.RadioKAOS (talk) 21:55, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Polar Bears

"The Polar Bears of this region are some of the greatest animals to view in the wild. As a young infant I was taken there and was able to watch them fish in the river. This is and experience that I will never forget along with the white snow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calevingston (talk • contribs) 17:15, 13 December 2015 (UTC) "

Correction, as a current North Pole resident I assure you that polar bear sightings are extremely rare. Truly any sightings of a bear in North Pole is highly unlikely, as it is a rather populated area compared to other parts of the state. Not to mention that the temperatures that occur in North Pole are usually to warm for polar bears. Besides that, North Pole is located in the interior of Alaska, the only rivers near are not naturally populated with fish anyways, therefore not a reliable food source for polar bears, not to mention that the Chena river is also part of the Chena flood project so it is damed in order to defer flooding. If one wishes to see polar bears the should look farther north, polar bears are seen in Alaska just Northern Alaska not interior. 69.178.111.22 (talk) 05:19, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

For the record, there are no actual polar bears in the vicinity of the geographical North Pole either. They never wander quite that far from the coastlines, or that far north. :) 188.150.75.100 (talk) 23:08, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

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Ongoing discussion concerning biographical data of notable residents

There has been discussion on this topic here and here on user's talk pages. I am hoping to move the discussion to this talk page, where it is more appropriate.

Since the discussion you were having was on that user's talk page, and I wanted you to see my comments, yes, I thought pinging you was appropriate. Since you do not wish to be pinged, I am happy to honor that moving forward. If you go to North Pole, Alaska, the people you are listing have little sourcing, if any. For example, the statement about Gene Therriault, "...came from a longtime North Pole family, as his father, Hector Therriault, operated a welding shop in the city for decades." Lists a single source, which looks like a list of political positions, and no biographical data (found here: http://100years.akleg.gov/bio.php?id=863/) Where is the sourcing for the biographical data about a welding shop? Most of the people on that list have information about them which is not supported by the source listed. This information needs to be sourced or removed.

People listed in "important people from..." lists do not have to have a wikipedia article about them to qualify for being on the list. Los Angeles and Baltimore each have a person on their list that has no wikipedia article. It is not a requirement that I could find. If I am wrong, please quote the wikipedia source and I'd be happy to remove those entries. I am copying this to the other relevant pages. I will not ping you as per your request. StarHOG (Talk) 13:34, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

I didn't tell you not to ping me. I suggested that it was not a good idea to ping me to a user's talk page where I had already told that user not to ping me, and templated him or her for harassment for repeatedly ignoring that.

As I explained on your talk page, I was not concerned with the other content, just whether they were associated with the town. Feel free to remove any material you feel is improperly sourced.

I have removed the entry that did not have an article. per WP:LISTBIO and WP:SOURCELIST. If you think she is notable then please either WP:WTAF or provide sufficient sources to show that she clearly would be notable enough to qualify for an article. The applicable notability guideline would be WP:MUSICBIO (or WP:ANYBIO or WP:BASIC). Simple being a member of an orchestra is not sufficient.. As for the presence of entries without articles in similar lists, see WP:OSE. Meters (talk) 22:30, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

I've removed the excessive biographical information, which never should have been included in these entries in the first place., Meters (talk) 00:53, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

I really appreciate you removing all that excess, unsourced info about those politicians. I didn't do a good search of the article's history and I have no idea if you originally posted that info or not. I came at you as if you had and were defending it. Many times in the past I've removed unsourced material that I didn't originally post, and some snarky editor will chastise me about the information as if I had been the author. I apologize if I came off that way. Regarding Eliesha Nelson, I have re-added her because I feel quite strongly that a person does not need to be notable to be on one of these lists. Even the wiki rules that you site say that a person in a list only needs to be as notable as if they were mentioned in the body text of the article (WP:LISTBIO) and WP:MUSICBIO is referring to notability for the creation of their own article. Now, to be frank, I don't have a dog in this fight, I don't know anything about Ms. Nelson nor am I a huge viola fan, but I do think it is appropriate and within wiki guidelines to have a person listed in an article, even if they are not considered "notable" themselves by wiki standards. My gut feeling, so this can be discounted if you like, is that it isn't just her notability in question. Does it add to the story of North Pole that there are people who come from there that have accomplished things that people may have heard of? To me, as a reader, this adds something to the article, so the scales should not be tipped just looking at Ms. Nelson, but do the two of them combined help a reader know more about North Pole? Is that too touchy feely? If yes, go ahead and revert, I won't fight it. StarHOG (Talk) 14:19, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Well, next time I suggest that you actually look at who added the information before deciding that you should insert yourself into a dispute, and read things more carefully. I explicitly told you on your talk page that I was not involved with the other information. All I looked at was whether the removed entries had articles and had sources tor could be sourced to show their connection to the town. As for the person you added back, it's along-standing Wikipedia process that entries included on lists of notable people must show their notability. Normally this is by having a properly sourced article. In rare cases an article is not needed to show notability if the entry contain sufficient sources to demonstrate that the person clearly meets Wikipedia's notability requirements and would qualify for an article. She does not. It does not matter that you think she should be on the list regardless of her notability.

Did you read what I wrote? Pointing out that WP:LISTBIO and WP:MUSICBIO apply to article creation is pointless, as that is exactly what I was saying. WP:LISTBIO or WP:MUSICBIO or WP:BASIC are the applicable notability guidelines to show notability for an article in this case, and what must be met in the notable people list if there is no article for the entry'. Again, see WP:LISTBIO and WP:SOURCELIST. I'm removing the entry. Don't restore it unless you first write an article about her. See WP:WTAF. Meters (talk) 00:16, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Glad to hear it. I stated my reasoning above, told you how your reasoning was flawed, cited examples, and then went out of my way to be cordial and let you know that I didn't really care and that if you wanted to revert it, go ahead, I wouldn't fight it. But that wasn't good enough for you, you seem to have some personal grudge or chip on your shoulder or are just small-minded so you came to my talk page and wrote an inflammatory and incorrect post on my talk page. Maybe you are trying to pick a fight, but sorry, you're not getting one. StarHOG (Talk) 13:10, 13 March 2019 (UTC)