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Just because one of the cited sources uses that term doesn’t mean we use that term. Unless Tomasevich and the other source also say ethnocide, we compare and contrast. ie we say where they agree and we say where they differ. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:37, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think you’vemisunderstood. Sources need to be reliable for what they are being relied on ‘’Delo’’ is hardly reliable for a claim of ethnocide. To state this in the article we need at least a couple of academics working in the field of genocide/ethnocide/crimes against humanity stating it was ethnocide, not some newspaper article. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:00, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Tomasevich and many others state that the Germans sought to wipe out Slovenes as an ethnic group. Claiming that is not ethnocide is same as claiming that the extermination of a people on ethnic grounds is not genocide, Here is the Oxford dictionary definition of ethnocide: "The attempt to eliminate a culture, generally through forced assimilation to a colonial or imperial culture". There are lots of claims in the article that cite a single source, such as Geiger's claim that most estimates cite 50.000 to 200.000 victims ob Bleiburg, when other sources in fact cite different figures Thhhommmasss (talk) 18:52, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, that is not how we operate in en WP. we state what Tomasevich says and then we state what others say. We don’t interpret what Tomasevich says as meaning “Ethnocide” because we think that is what he means. ie we compare and contrast, we don’t conduct original research. We do not say that Tomasevich uses a term he does not use. That fails verification, and isn’t acceptable on en WP. I hope you are not using this approach with other materisl where sources differ in their descriptions. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 19:35, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In what I cited, Božo Repe, a leading historian at the University of Ljubljana, stated that ethnocide is ethnocide, yet you state I can't cite him, despite the multiple claims by single authors that are cited in the article. Explain that to us allThhhommmasss (talk) 20:26, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What I am saying is that ethnocide is supported by Repe. It is inappropriate to use the weasel words “and others” based on a report in Delo. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 20:37, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There, I deleted what others stated that this was ethnocide. I look forward to your efforts to delete all existing cited claims by Italian media in the article about Foibe, since these are clearly not authoritative 20:57, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Don’t get snarky with me mate. I’m entirely neutral in this issue, and am only interested in high quality sources being used. If you have concerns about Italian sources of poor quality and their claims, feel free to raise them here on the talk page. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 21:08, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is citing a leading Slovene historian "snarkY". What are the wikipedia rules whereby that is prohibited? Thhhommmasss (talk) 21:28, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My reference to snark is your desire to see me look closely at Italian sources. I have suggested you raise any concerns about them here. Repe is fine for the claim of ethnocide, I never said he wasn’t. What I was not happy about was you using an article in Delo by a political journalist (not a historian) to bolster Repe’s description of what occurred as “ethnocide”. For claims of this nature, only high quality sources are acceptable. Such an article is not a high quality source. Are there scholars who specifically disagree with Repe on this matter? That is how we achieve NPOV, not by “backing up” Repe with a short article by a political journalist in a newspaper. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:06, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I eliminated the reference to Delo. I welcome contrary authoritative references who claim that wiping out an entire ethnic group is not ethnocideThhhommmasss (talk) 22:15, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
