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NY metro area (Rickk)[edit]

Hi. Wouldn't the Metroplitan area information you added to New York, New York be better spun off into a separate article? Plus, all of those cities and counties really need to have wikified links. RickK 01:51, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I moved it and made a start with links. - Patrick 19:01, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Gazetteer (Thoth)[edit]

Hello Patrick, Just wanted to thank you for some of the reworking you did to the World Gazetteer article I did. Looks Great! Thoth 02:21, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Thanks. - Patrick 19:01, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Edit summaries (Seav, Pcb21)[edit]

I hope that you could put summaries in your edits in the future, no matter how minor. --seav 13:02, Sep 3, 2003 (UTC)

I put an edit summary in the case an edit needs an explanation, and if I want to draw additional attention to it; I agree that the more edit summaries the better, but it is a trade-off, compared with spending time on making more edits. - Patrick 22:28, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Actually not putting an edit summary draws attention to an article.. people watching the article have to look at the article itself to discover the change (maybe even making a diff)... this costs much more time (e.g. 20 people 20 seconds each) than just one person adding an edit summary (1 person 10 seconds). In fact overall Wikipedia 'editing time' is LOST by not putting an edit summary, at the gain of your personal edit tally heading up! Pete 23:12, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
The trade-off is between more improvements to the contents and more convenience in being informed about them. Both are very useful, so there is no easy answer. You sketch an odd image of someone who is usually not interested in the contents of an edit if he knows what it is about, but needs to see it otherwise, and who considers an improvement mainly as a nuisance. Also, I do not find my personal edit tally very important, this of course does not play any role.
Having said that, I am currently putting an edit summary a little more often. - Patrick 07:46, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Circuit (airfield) (GRAHAMUK)[edit]

Hi Patrick. I noticed you've been tagging along on a number of my recent flight topics! No problem there, it's all to the good. However, I do wonder if the recent change to circuit (airfield) actually enhances the article - your edit has made it wordier without clarifying the topic, IMHO. Maybe the bits you've added could go in as a separate para further down - I usually like to keep my opening para as short and to the point as I possibly can while getting the basic essentials across. Further explanations can be given afterwards where the more interested reader will look for them. What do you think? GRAHAMUK 13:03, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I should also have mentioned - it's also factually incorrect - a circuit isn't a required pattern, it's a "gentleman's agreement" really. Many users will not use the circuit - straight in approaches and so forth, or direct climb outs. GRAHAMUK 13:07, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I thought "agreed pattern for coordinating air traffic" was rather vague: pattern is a general term, is that a path or a procedure? Is it agreed case-by-case, or fixed for a given airfield? What followed was where it is applicable and that it can be left or right hand, instead of first more clearly saying what it is. So I tried to put the essentials first, after trying to understand them from what was implicit in details that followed. Please correct what I understood wrongly, and rearrange further if you think that is better. - Patrick 13:39, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Hmm, maybe it was a bit too vague. I've edited it so it includes elements from both our edits - I also added a para explaining a bit more about how it's used, and moved your clarification into that. I hope you'll find it OK. GRAHAMUK 13:52, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Okay. I just added the alternatives you mentioned above of using a circuit. May be that should be expanded upon in the same or another article, to see the subject in context. - Patrick 23:03, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Contacting developers in case of server failure (Tim Starling)[edit]

Hi Patrick. I've just put together a register of Wikipedia developers, including phone numbers, email addresses, etc., which Wikipedians can use to contact developers in case of server failure. You have been selected to be one of about 20 people to receive this list. The only problem is that you don't have an email address registered which I can send it to. Could you please email me at t!starling#physics!unimelb!edu!au (or something like that, I can never remember the right punctuation) -- Tim Starling 03:13, Sep 13, 2003 (UTC)

Sysop nomination (Jiang, Tannin, Angela, Heron, MyRedDice, Stevertigo, Viajero)[edit]

I've nominated you for adminship. Pending support from others, you should go to Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship#Patrick to either accept or decline this nomination. --Jiang 09:30, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Hi Jiang, thank you. I have accepted the nomination. - Patrick 11:44, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Copied from Wikipedia:Requests for adminship[edit]

  • User:Patrick has made some 8000+ edits since January 2003. I have seen him make numerous factual corrections to the various country lists and country articles, and his contribution record shows good solid edits on many other articles. --Jiang 07:23, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Huh? You mean Patrick isn't a sysop long since? If he isn't, then I second the nomination. --Tannin
    • I support too. I think Patrick will be a very capable sysop. Angela
    • I accept my nomination. Thank you for your support and kind words. - Patrick 11:26, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • I support. He's a conscientious contributor. -- Heron 21:20, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Strong support - every one of his edits, that I've seen, has been good and uncontroversial - one of the unsung heros of Wikipedia. -- MyRedDice 02:02, Sep 14, 2003 (UTC)
    • Sixthed.--戴&#30505sv 02:40, Sep 14, 2003 (UTC)
    • Ambivalent. I have found him rigid and dogmatic in editing disagreements. Also, he frequently forsakes adding a summary to his edits. Viajero 19:50, Sep 14, 2003 (UTC)
  • Done -- Tim Starling 07:59, Sep 17, 2003 (UTC)

(one missing signature added)

Districts of Israel (LittleDan)[edit]

Hi, Patrick. I noticed your article on the North District of Israel, and I tried to expand it. But I can't find anything on Google about it, or even about dividing israel into districts at all. Would you mind expanding an article or pointing me to some kind of online resource so I can expand it? LDan 00:06, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I just used http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=North_District , we can do the same for each district, with the district names taken from the city articles http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=IsraBot . Also there are http://www.world-gazetteer.com/r/r_il.htm and http://www.world-gazetteer.com/s/s_il.htm . - Patrick 07:42, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Documentation on meta (MyRedDice)[edit]

I'm confused by the new "MediaWiki" documentation on meta, and how it ties together with the documentation on wikipedia. Is there (finally!) a masterplan about what info is going to go where? I'd love to read and comment on such... Martin 15:28, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Perhaps I was too bold in changing Wikipedia:Redirect to a "See meta", but I was concerned that edits were made to the Wikipedia version, which would be equally applicable to mav's meta version, but not made there. I agree with you that there are complications with links. I am inclined to consider every page separately regarding the question how to divide it between Wikipedia and meta, but preferably with little duplication to avoid duplication of edits. I don't know about a master plan, apart from mav's User's Guide on meta. - Patrick 10:21, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)

"Ladyboy" (Next Paige)[edit]

Patrick, I just wanted to let you know I put an apology to you on the Talk:Ladyboy page. I really wasn't trying to yell at you! Just really don't like that word and wanted to express that without risking POV edits to the article. I really don't like unpleasantness with other wikis. No hard feelings, I hope? Sorry, Paige 00:13, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)

No problem. Patrick 10:21, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Contrast (Rogper)[edit]

Hello, I have a formula for contrast computation and it is:

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Do you know more about it ? This is the special case of black and white. I also have some table values from IEEE of contrasts for paper and LCD displays. Do you think this should suite the Contrast keyword? // Rogper 12:53, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I don't know much about it, may be the R is the Reflection coefficient? The table sounds interesting, if it is clear what the quantities mean, please add it to the article. - Patrick 13:59, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Double redirects (Jiang)[edit]

You need fix all the double redirects immediately after moving a page. Talking about List of national capitals by country and larger cities in each country...see "what links there" --Jiang 01:26, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)

You are right, I forgot. Done now. - Patrick 01:36, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Wire-guided missiles (Cabalamat)[edit]

In Wire-guided missiles, you say the longest-range one has a range of 3750 m. I think it would be useful if you were to add text to the article saying which missile you're refering to.

Delete debates (Angela)[edit]

How is Wikipedia talk:Things to be moved to Wiktionary an archived delete debate? Delete debates are where there has been a lengthy discussion about a page that was proposed for deletion. Those pages were not debated at length. I am going to list them one a day like Schneelocke wants. I see no advantage in repeating the list of pages on the talk page as all those articles are already listed on the actual Wikipedia:Things to be moved to Wiktionary page. Angela 11:10, Oct 12, 2003 (UTC)

Watchlist (Tim Starling)[edit]

How long does it take to usually take to load your watchlist? Can you load other pages while it is going? What time setting do you usually use?

Brion and I have been discussing the possible cause for regular, brief loss of service events. I have a theory that big watchlists may be the cause. Yours is the biggest by a factor of 2.5. -- Tim Starling 03:22, Oct 17, 2003 (UTC)

I prefer using Enhanced Recent Changes rather than My Watchlist, even though I am usually only interested in watched articles, because it shows all their edits in the specified period, not just the last one. I use that with "from=<time>".
When the specified time is too long ago the system after a rather long waiting period returns an empty page (could you tell me more about the limits?). The limit seems to be somewhere between 3 and 12 hours.
When I want to cover a period of more than 12 hours or do not get any result from Enhanced Recent Changes I resort to My Watchlist, which works much faster: 2 s for 1 hour, 7 s for 12 hours. Since it is so fast I have not tried to load other pages at the same time (I would not do that anyway, if something takes long, I would rather do something outside Wikimedia in the meantime; if you want I try it out, I then have to specify a very long period). How brief is this loss of service? If it is a few seconds then it might me this, with the system giving this too high a priority. Patrick 09:15, 17 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I just discovered that the largest number of edits can be obtained when you do not log in (although it does not always work): 5000, currently covering ca. 17 hours. This does not seem related to the watchlist, because the limit is lower even when I log in as "Patrick test" with an empty watchlist. - Patrick 11:44, 17 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Oil-dumplings (Jerzy)[edit]

You contributed on article December 31 about "oil-dumblings". My guess is that you mis-spelled "dumpling", a piece of leavened dough cooked in a liquid. If so, these oil-dumplings may be similar to fritters or to hush puppies. --Jerzy 20:50, 2003 Dec 15 (UTC)

Yes, with a p. I have corrected it now, thanks. - Patrick 00:59, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Subdivisions of Dutch municipalities (Spellbinder, Jurriaan Schulman)[edit]

(See also User talk:Jurriaan Schulman).

Hi Patrick While editing Nijmegen, I noticed it said

The municipality also comprises the following towns, villages and townships: Lent, Nijmegen-Oosterhout, Nijmegen-Ressen.

I changed "towns, villages and townships" to "settlements" and started a discussion in the Village Pump about what should be done about the phrase elsewhere. I had noticed that the lists came from http://www.sdu.nl/staatscourant/scdata/gemeentenindex.htm, and at first, I assumed that "towns, villages and townships" was trying to make distinctions that were important in Dutch but rather lost in translating to English. Further dicussions with the Dutch Jurriaan and together investigating websites of Dutch gemeenten have shown the following:

  • The lists from www.sdu.nl don't represent the official way in which the gemeente is subdivided; they're at best an idiosyncratic and at worst a misleading list of towns/villages within a gemeente.
  • Gemeenten are divided into wijken with some gemeenten using stadsdelen or subwijken too. For example:
Arnhem....Gemeente -> Wijken
Utrecht...Gemeente -> Wijken -> Subwijken
Nijmegen..Gemeente -> Stadsdelen -> Wijken

To show the idiosyncracy of the www.sdu.nl lists, Nijmegen http://www.nijmegen.nl/Wijkinformatie/index.asp has 9 stadsdelen subdivided into a total of 44 wijken. The sdu list mentions the 3 wijken above the Waal river separately (despite the "geen wijken" on sdu) and lumps all the other 8 stadsdelen comprising 41 wijken into just Nijmegen! Utrecht, which has the sdu list "De Meern, Haarzuilens, Utrecht, Vleuten", has 10 wijken (see http://www.utrecht.nl ) one of which is called Vleuten-De Meern and which contains Haarzuilens as one of its subwijken. Even if you assume that the sdu list is just a selection of towns/villages in the gemeente, they are very odd selections. Anyway, you get the picture :-)

It is not just a selection, but more or less a complete list of settlements, large or small. 41 wijken are considered to form the city of Nijmegen, the other 3 are taken as separate settlements. A difference is that one calls these wijk and the other does not, but the sdu list, from the semi-official State Almanac, does not seem odd or inaccurate. - Patrick 01:11, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Since any change involves about 150 WP pages, it's important that we all agree. My preference is to remove all the lines derived from sdu from the individual articles and to update your article Municipalities in the Netherlands to include what I've found about the internal structure of gemeenten. What do you think? Pop your answer below and drop me a note on my talk-page, then we'll keep our discussion in one place. Thanks. Spellbinder 12:38, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Oops, apologies, I put this on your user-page rather than your talk-page. Spellbinder 14:33, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

If you mean deleting the sdu subdivisions without replacing them with anything else, I do not agree. Adding the subdivisions according to http://www.cbs.nl/nl/publicaties/publicaties/nederland-regionaal/gom/2002/gemeente-a.htm (just wijken or also buurten) and/or according to the site of the municipality would be useful, but even then I am not sure the sdu-info should be deleted. Notes on how the two or three relate in each case would be useful, but since that is time-consuming to analyze, one can first state "an alternative subdivision by ... is ...". - Patrick 01:17, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC) and 20:33, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Hi Spellbinder,
It is not completely true that gemeenten are divided into wijken per se. Normally a town or city is divided into wijken. Different plaatsen that belong to a gemeente must not necessarily be wijken. The problem with amongst others Nijmegen is that at http://www.sdu.nl/ it is suggested that Lent, Oosterhout and Ressen are villages where in fact they are now considered wijken of Nijmegen. I would like to suggest to remove the link to http://www.sdu.nl/ and use a link to www.nijmegen.nl instead. The same goes for all other articles on Dutch municipalities Jurriaan 21:45, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Please do not delete http://www.sdu.nl/staatscourant/scdata/gemeentenindex.htm links, see below. - Patrick 14:15, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, Patrick (and Jurriaan again!) You can probably tell from how deep I am into this, that I have a personal interest; I spend about a third of my time in Nijmegen. Anyway, I was quizzing my Dutch friend there about the Nijmegen list (being careful not to lead him) and he stated that although the list was 'correct', he said 'it serves no useful purpose'. That about sums up my feeling too. Anyway, I'll list the issues as bullet points.

  • I still think that the SDU lists are not useful. As an analogy, imagine the USA wiki article describing the US as made up of three parts: Contiguous, Alaska, and Hawaii. It's not incorrect, and there might even be some US government agencies that divide the US up this way, but no ordinary person would think it was a meaningful or useful and most would find it distinctly odd.
    • Not odd, as long as you do not misunderstand it to mean that they are equal parts. - Patrick 12:11, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)
  • The lists on CBS and those on the municipality websites match EXACTLY, and they're both VERY different from the SDU list. I've checked Nijmegen, Arnhem, and Utrecht. For Nijmegen, there are differences in nomenclature on their site (stadsdelen->wijk, wijk->buurt) and there have been changes 2001-2003 in exactly the area that the SDU lists as separate settlements, so that those settlements are now not even wijken but simply buurten, highlighting again how odd that SDU list is.
    • http://www.gemeentealkemade.nl uses the sdu list, being the more practical one, the cbs list is more formal, trying to have more equal parts, calling a set of villages somewhat oddly a wijk. The list of "wijken" is just Roelofarendsveen and "rest of Alkemade", so not a suitable replacement for the list of villages. - Patrick 12:11, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)
  • In response to Jurriaan's point, the CBS site lists all gemeenten as divided into wijken, even country ones. Unfortunately, I can't find a country gemeente website that lists their wijken at all, presumably because towns/villages are more important distinctions to inhabitants there, at whom the sites are aimed.
  • I noticed just last night that township can mean an administrative division in North America, a usage which is totally unknown in British English. To a Brit, a township is a town for non-whites in South Africa. I presume this was an attempt at translating stadsdelen, but I'm not sure.

Anyway, what to do.

  • I'd prefer to delete all references to the SDU lists, but I realize this is a lot of work; I suggest that no more be added and when reworking an existing or creating a new, they be replaced with a link to the CBS site - it's not practical to list all the wijken, and they change fairly frequently anyway. That will also solve the problem of the strange term to non-American ears of township, which will gradually get removed over time as the SDU lists disappear.

How does that sound? Spellbinder 11:25, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Wikipedia favors content over just external links, please do not remove content because there is a link. The word settlements is okay. The links to sdu I put for the map (though I prefer a map in the article itself, as I just put in Arnhem, copied from de:) and for checking whether population figures etc. in the article are up-to-date. They are not always as easy to find on the municipality site. - Patrick 12:56, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC) and 12:11, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hi Patrick I take your point about removing content, and I can see that in some cases the SDU list is actually very useful; for example, I particularly like the way you list the villages in your Alkemade article. I agree too that the link to the SDU should remain, as there is lots of useful stuff there for each gemeente. I see you've rephrased the Nijmegen article too, which is fine but perhaps draws too much attention to what is essentially a fairly minor point - most readers won't care about it. What's really important is that

  • a typical reader isn't misled into thinking that the list represents the official subdivisions of the gemeente, ie the wijken - which it what the original phrasing led me to assume, with obvious results :-)
  • the list doesn't give undue prominence to very minor places (e.g. my Nijmegen reservations) - these can only be dealt with adhoc; I'll recast your phrasing there to give it a historical perspective so that readers can understand why these three small villages are listed separately ... see what you think.

My views have changed quite a lot as a result of discussions with you and others and I don't think there's really much disagreement any more.

Btw, you need to be careful of those CBS links - they contain '2002' so they'll presumably get updated soon. But I can't go without taking the opportunity of saying what a good job you're doing with all these articles on Dutch towns etc While I'm worrying about nit-picking issues, you're entering some really good content. Spellbinder 19:55, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Thanks. For the CBS data the new version has been announced for next spring. Hopefully only the 2 has to be changed to a 3. This can be done when an article is edited anyway, if nobody likes to do these updates separately. - Patrick 23:24, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Link to Google News search for the article topic (RickK)[edit]

Hi, Patrick. I deleted the link you added to the Michael Jackson page. Wikipedia isn't a newspaper, and news articles don't stick around very long, anyway. There are several more suspect links on that page but I don't really want to have to read each of them to see if they should stay or not, but I'd be inclined to delete a lot of them. If you want to summarize the article you linked to and add the info to the article, that would make it more encyclopedic. Thanks. RickK 21:08, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

It looks like you misunderstand the link: it is not to a particular article, but to the Google News search, as an aid for updating the article. This is useful for Wikipedia articles with frequent new developments, like this one. - Patrick 21:39, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Disambiguation page (Michael Hardy)[edit]

Your verdict page should have been written in the format of a disambiguation page if you weren't going to write any sentences. Michael Hardy 00:45, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Special characters[edit]

Glad to see you put my special characters list to good use ;) →Raul654 05:10, Feb 15, 2004 (UTC)

Communism[edit]

Thank you for placing that much needed list of Communist states. Cheers, Sam Spade 13:14, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

You are welcome, I just copied it from Communist party. --Patrick 13:19, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Zinkweg[edit]

Hi, Patrick. It seems you know quite a bit about Dutch Geography, so I'm hoping you can help me. Wikipedia is the only place I've been able to find a map that shows me where Zinkweg is and I was very excited to find it! My ancestors are from Zinkweg, and I'm trying to figure out exactly where it is -- can you tell me if I'm understanding the location correctly? I believe that Zinkweg is a settlement in the municipality called Oud-Beijerland in the Zuid-Holland province of The Netherlands, southwest of Rotterdam and the Maas River. Am I correct? I'd appreciate it if you'd let me know. And if you have any other information about the area, or know where I could find more information on my own, I'd appreciate your sharing that, too. (Such as, is there still really a "town" called Zinkweg, or is it just a "street," or a "neighborhood," or an "area" or "region"? Do you happen to know if it's likely that anyone NAMED Zinkweg might still live there, or elsewhere in Holland? etc.)

Sorry if I'm overstepping any boundaries by contacting you this way. I hope you can lend some insight into my research.

Thanks!

Johanna Zinkweg (Dutch version of my American name!)

Oops forgot to give you my e-mail address for response: fraedela@msn.com.

Thanks again.

Johanna Zinkweg

Hi Johanna,
Yes, Zinkweg is a small settlement, pop. 360, at the south side of Oud-Beijerland, mainly consisting of houses along a road also called Zinkweg. See http://www.cbs.nl/nl/publicaties/publicaties/nederland-regionaal/gom/2002/pdf/o/Oud-Beijerland.pdf , 0012 on the map, and the old map http://www.rat.de/kuijsten/atlas/zh/oudbeijerland.gif.
According to the telephone directory, in Zinkweg there are no people called Zinkweg, but there is one company, while in other places there are 18 families and companies with that name. See http://www.goudengids.nl/ , for e.g. three in Dordrecht.
Regards, --Patrick 07:52, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thank You![edit]

Thanks for the information on "Zinkweg"! So glad I found you!

JZ

Press Release[edit]

I see you contributed to the creation of the press release. Might you be willing to follow these steps, and send off the press release? -- user:zanimum

Marc Dutroux[edit]

Hi Patrick, I see that you contributed a lot to the Marc Dutroux article. There's a question of fact that I haven't been able to resolve. The article says that the police was searching his house in relation to a car theft charge when they failed to find the imprisoned girls. I have read that also in a German paper. But now I read a different version: that Dutroux was already under investigation for the kidnappings in December 95, and that his house was searched twice in relation to that investigation (Dec 13 and Dec 19 I believe). Also, some versions claim that he was imprisoned several months beginning from December 6 because of his car theft charge, others claim that he was imprisoned because of the suspicion of his involvement in the kidnappings. Do you know which version is true? Thanks, AxelBoldt 11:21, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hi Axel, I think he was searched for the purpose of investigation of the kidnappings, but on the pretext of being related to the theft, and that he was imprisoned for the theft. --Patrick 11:42, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Piped link vs. redirect[edit]

I described your link mislead (and implicitly, your creation of that redirect) pretty strongly in my edit summary: 

23:30, 2004 Mar 9 Confidence trick ([[deception|mislead]] to avoid bad, bad redirect)

However, User:Angela pointed out to me, when i asked her something abt proposing mislead for deletion, that the preference for singular-noun titles does not specify deletion of verb redirects. I still prefer my piping around "mislead" over simply creating the redirect (i think links that rely on redirects from a bad title to a good one miss the opportunity to exemplify good practice to users who hover over the link w/o clicking), but i admit on reflection that the existence of the redirect has some value. (And does no harm when, as currently, nothing links thru it at the moment!) But i regret my strong language, in light of my improved knowledge, and i probably would accept your specification of an appropriate penalty for unnecessary roughness. [smile] --Jerzy(t) 08:54, 2004 Mar 12 (UTC)

That's OK. I spent my time on creating the redirect rather than a piped link because it allows easy linking of all articles containing any of the words mislead, misleads, misleaded, misleading. I agree that piped links are even better (but I would say, only slightly). --Patrick 12:52, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The Smoking Gun[edit]

Hi Patrick - I think that you posted some material from the SG to Wikipedia - I have been trying to get opinions on whether this is ok from a copyright perspective - could you please take a couple of minutes to let me know what you think the status of that stuff (the police photos esp.) is? Thanks, Mark Richards 04:51, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I always only link to that, so copyright is not an issue. Whether copying would be allowed I do not know. --Patrick 07:10, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Image:Tile_Hill_Train_350.jpg[edit]

Hi, is it okay with you if I delete Image:Tile_Hill_Train_350.jpg? It's been listed on IFD for a while and the only place it's being used is on one of your test pages. silsor 23:47, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, that's OK. --Patrick 23:58, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

New WikiProject Trains[edit]

I've started a new WikiProject: WikiProject Trains. I'm inviting all Wikipedians who are interested in trains and railways to take a look and decide if they want to get this going. Thanks, —Morven 23:33, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Web page URL[edit]

More out of curiosity than actually caring one way or another -- what is an example of a web page that does not have a URL? Bkonrad | Talk 23:23, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

See URL (at the end).--Patrick 23:26, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

OK, but it seems that there IS actually a URL, it is simply not readily apparent to the end user. Bkonrad | Talk 23:34, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

See also the new Webpage#URL, what do you think?--Patrick 09:01, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Very nice. Thanks. Bkonrad | Talk 11:58, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Wikiproject trains[edit]

Hi. Could you write an article similar to rail transport in Great Britain entitled rail transport in the Netherlands please? Briefly describing the current geography and who operates it. Cheers Duncharris 00:45, Apr 10, 2004 (UTC). P.S. And redirect back to rail transport by country.

Documenting the seemingly obvious[edit]

Hi Patrick, I've wanted for a long time to tell you how important I think your work is for Wikipedia. Whenever I come across an article about some everyday object your name is bound to crop up somewhere in the edit history. Paying attention to the things that surround us is important, but taking the next step, i e writing about them in an encyclopaedic manner, is difficult as well. You've done a great job so far. All the best, <KF> 08:52, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hi Kurt,
Thank you for your kind words. I like the interaction of the network of knowledge (including many basic things) in my head with that in Wikipedia, with both contributing to each other, and of course, through Wikipedia, the interaction with the networks of knowledge in other people's heads. --Patrick 10:36, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Oratory/Public Speaking[edit]

Hi, Patrick! I noticed you edited Oratory, yesterday. I've been working on some material for that article, and I was planning to create a community poll soliciting input on whether we should merge Public Speaking and create a redirect to the new Oratory. What are your thoughts on this? Cribcage 06:54, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Yes, a merge would be good. I would use the name Public speaking.--Patrick 07:12, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Don't forget it to merge it with orator too. Andries 21:31, 30 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Preference[edit]

Just a quick comment about your claim that preference is possible without choice: "I am glad it does not rain". Your example illustrates sentiment (I do not like rain.) but does not illustrate preference. To be a statement of preference, it would have to say "I prefer sunshine to rain" or "Rain is my least prefered weather of all possible weathers". Preference always involves a comparison, and a comparison is not possible without options. I agree with you however, that these choices can be real or imagined.

On a more general note, I always look foward to your edits to the economics and business sections. They are typically thought provoking. mydogategodshat 22:51, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. Regarding your first remark: the alternative was implicit and obvious ("it rains"), but I agree that "preference is possible without choice" is confusing.
Is "happiness is generally preferred to suffering, sadness, or grief" not an overly cautious formulation, is this not by definition the case? If not, it might be interesting to expand on the phenomena of people who like to be unhappy, or who like to suffer. May be this can be related to masochism?
Patrick 06:16, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Pornogrpahy[edit]

Hello, I've added to the Talk:Pornography page. I've been verbose there... what might be better is to ask whether you're able to provide a reference for the 'urination/defecation' line in English?

I'm still rather bemused by the line as it stands, I'm afraid.

--bodnotbod 14:23, May 1, 2004 (UTC)

Spanish Sahara[edit]

Spanish Sahara really should have its own article - if nothing else, it would look pretty strange to have section on the stamps of Spanish Sahara in the middle of Western Sahara history - not quite the linkage that a WP-using philatelist would expect! Stan 06:46, 9 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

If stamp info is in a separate section it is not a problem. Either use a subsection of the Spanish Sahara section, or have at the end of the article a section on the history of stamps from all periods in what is now Western Sahara.--Patrick 17:48, 9 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yuck! I take it you're not a collector... In general the rule is to separate areas that have discontinuous administration and extent - stamps (and government as a whole for that matter) have different characteristics and areas in which they're used, and mixing them all together makes for an unintelligible mess. This may seem like a minor issue to you, but it's not to the experts who write books on the postal history of the region. Stan 18:19, 9 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
If, of the two options I mentioned you do not like one, there is still the other. Besides, a section on the history of stamps from all periods in what is now Western Sahara can have subsections, of course. And if a section gets long, it can be made a separate article.--Patrick 18:59, 9 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
Both of your suggested options are poor. Western Sahara and Spanish Sahara are simply not the same thing; it would be like redirecting 13 colonies to United States because they're geographically in the same general area. Stan 21:13, 9 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
The subject 13 colonies is part of the subject History of the United States, but, like other subtopics, in a separate article because otherwise that would get too large.--Patrick 21:33, 9 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Reverting on Screenshot[edit]

I have responded to your reverting on Screenshot, see Talk:Screenshot#Reverting_by_Patrick for details. Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 16:50, 2004 May 12 (UTC)

Exchange rate[edit]

thank you the Malta times exchange rate tables must have been old (reading 8 cents rather than 16 cents for the Egyptian Pound. - 209.135.35.83

I thought you misunderstood the ambiguous "half an Egyptian lira (8 cents)".--Patrick 15:30, 20 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]


Internal energy (Andries)[edit]

sorry, voor mijn slechte verandering in internal energy. Ik was in de war met de temperatuur. Andries 18:13, 25 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

That's OK.--Patrick 13:30, 27 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I made another bad edit that you fortunately corrected. I do think that the energy related articles should and can be improved i.e. to make them more accessible to people who have little knowledge of physics and mathematics. So if you have time , please. Andries 21:34, 30 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Railroad car[edit]

Apologies; I meant merely to revert your most recent edit, forgetting that the 'rollback' feature reverts multiple recent edits by the same person. I did not think all of them wrong, I merely disagreed with the last of them. —Morven 00:24, 26 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Custom messages[edit]

You say the msg in custom messages can be dispensed with. But now the messages (at least those still with the "msg") are broken. Instead of showing the custom message they show #redirect Template:Stub. Why? Who can fix it? Where should I complain? Paranoid 15:49, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Maybe this was very temporary. The bot Template namespace initialisation script has been active today. If there is still a problem, in which page?--Patrick 21:53, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Thanks. Apparently it is fixed by now.Paranoid 07:53, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Help:Template[edit]

I left you a msg on Meta abt this before i figured out i was no longer on en:

Reply on en: would be at least as welcome as reply there. Tnx.
--Jerzy(t) 18:46, 2004 Jun 9 (UTC)

I forgot to point out one symptom that (if you don't immediately say "well, if course that would happen...") might scream to you exactly where the code is that determines the behavior: the link to the template that's produced, where i would like the contents of the template transcluded, is an edit link, not the "view" link i would have expected. Could that mean anything?
--Jerzy(t) 19:49, 2004 Jun 9 (UTC)

It seems that a page name that depends on a parameter is assumed to be a non-existent page, may be because the system does not apply the desirable order of first evaluating the page name and then checking whether it exists.--Patrick 22:16, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Thus you can't seem to have the contents of such a page transcluded, but with external link style you can link to a view page that depends on parameters.--Patrick 22:43, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I made a Template:T1 (a start) and Template:T2, with {{T1|H}} giving {{H}}.--Patrick 11:59, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Interwiki template[edit]

Hi, I noticed a few articles you have created that contain only an interwiki link: Red-handed, Way and Edit. Normally articles that contain only links to other wikis or to other websites would be deleted on sight, but this time to provoke discussion I have listed them on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion. Could you please contribute your point of view on the existence of these articles at the vfd debate? Many thanks. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 13:41, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Hectares[edit]

Hi, I notice that you contributed to a debate on hectares at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers). I would be delighted if you contributed again. Thanks.
Bobblewik 14:35, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

ISO 8859-1[edit]

I removed your addition to ISO 8859-1, as your assertion that it is the same as UTF-8 for the range it covers is quite inaccurate. There is a precise vocabulary involved in character encoding issues, so you have to be careful with terminology, especially when making broad comparisons. The 191-byte ISO/IEC 8859-1 standard does not map bytes 00-1F or 7F-9F to characters at all. It maps bytes 20-7E to Unicode characters U+0000 through U+007E, and maps bytes A0-FF to U+00A0 through U+00FF. The 256-byte "iso-8859-1" character map / charset / codepage that everyone uses fills in the gaps, mapping bytes 00-FF to U+0000 through U+00FF, but is still not comparable to UTF-8. In UTF-8, bytes 00-7F are mapped to Unicode characters U+0000 through U+007F, but bytes above 7F work much differently, not mapping 1-to-1 with characters (e.g., byte 80 does not map to U+0080 and byte FF does not map to U+00FF). Rather, bytes above 7F occur in sequences of 2, 3, or 4 bytes at a time, with certain values being disallowed. A full sequence of 2, 3 or 4 bytes above 7F maps to a character between U+0080 and U+10FFFD, a huge range. - mjb 21:58, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

"Human Positions" at Train station[edit]

I know there has to be a a story here. What does "human positions" have to do with "train station"? Where you live, do people tend to assume strange positions while waiting? Banging their heads on the wall? Yoga? Tai chi? The world needs to know. (I'll read below) Mackerm 17:56, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Well, it is not very specific for train stations, but equally applicable to bus stops, etc., and can be found in the article:
Standing and squatting is mainly done when there are not enough seats, e.g. in a public transport vehicle, a train station, a bus stop, a waiting room; whether people will sit anyway depends on the availabilty of other places to sit (including enough space on the floor), how inventive one is, how conventional, how dirty these places are, how dirty one is willing to become, and whether paper etc. is available to sit on (these things also apply when there are seats, but dirty).
Availability of seats is sometimes somewhat subjective, e.g. whether an additional person fits on a bench. This depends also on shyness and feelings about proximity.
--Patrick 20:37, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

My apologies for the funny vandalism of hyperlink[edit]

Hi Patrick, my apologies for the funny vandalism to the hyperlink article. Personally I expected it would be reverted in half an hour. I never expected that people would make serious changes to it, which made the reverting of course more difficult. Next time I will do this on Wikipedia:Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense/Funny vandalism. You can find two excellent examples of funny vandalism there, much better than my vandalism to the hyperlink article that was meant to be funny but maybe wasn't. Sorry next time that I want to do funny vandalism I will call my wikipedia anonymous funny vandalists sponsor ;-)

Yours really sincerely,

Paulus/laudaka (add me to your YIM/AIM/ICQ/M$N M contact list if you like!) Laudaka's talk page 17:25, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

That's OK. The first time I saw your edit I did not want to spoil the fun right away, and later, when I made normal edits, I forgot to revert first.--Patrick 14:05, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Request for adminship on Meta[edit]

I am requesting adminship on Meta for the account m:User:Patrick.--Patrick 23:00, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)


Thanks for your helpful edit of the Edward Bellamy page![edit]

I still have to decide if my external "Parable" link should be changed back to what I think would be the more appropriate internal link. But first I must finnish formatting the local "Parable" page Stewjack 14:20, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)

For The Parable of the Water-Tank here on Wikipedia a description seems more appropriate than the full text, which belongs, and now is, on Wikisource.--Patrick 19:57, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

WikiProject Unrecognized Countries[edit]

Hi, Patrick. I noticed you had made contributions to Western Sahara. If you're interested in Western Sahara and similar places, why don't you drop by the WikiProject Unrecognized countries and help add some more depth to Wikipedia's coverage of these?

Be sure to visit the Project talk page, and if you are interested, you can become a member. Ambivalenthysteria 12:21, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

<nowiki>&</nowiki> does not work[edit]

You on my talk page:

<nowiki>&</nowiki> does not work, e.g. <nowiki>&</nowiki>lt; gives <

Good to know. Thanks. I guess I should have been more careful with that HTML-significant character. I haven't tested everything yet, but I will before I try to "release" the page somewhere. (I assume you're commenting on my User:Dcljr/Characters page — I didn't try to use that somewhere in a 'Pedia article, did I?) - dcljr 04:57, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I commented on that page. & is not affected by the translation from wikitext to html, so nowiki has no effect.--Patrick 06:44, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
FYI, since you're the only person who's commented on one of my subpages, I figured I'd notify you: I've decided to direct future comments to the individual talk pages instead of the main one. To that end, I've removed your "duplicate" entry on my main talk page. - dcljr 06:16, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Navigation templates for the Netherlands[edit]

Hi Patrick
I'm providing all Dutch municipalities with navigation templates as they are used on nl:Wikipedia. I noticed somewhat late that you had done so for a few in South Holland. I have left them as they are, although I think that at least Oegstgeest should be changed. What do you think? Pethan 19:30, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I am starting on redirecting towns etc. to their municipalities. Otherwise the Wikipedia will be cluttered with Dutch villages of 35 inhabitants :). Do you happen to know if and how one can redirect directly to a subsection? Pethan 20:40, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Good work! Unfortunately a redirect to a section does not work as such, it just leads to the top. Oegstgeest was an experiment, we can change that for uniformity. Since Template:sh includes all that is in Template:Province_South_Holland and more, I suggest that we put the contents of the former in the latter.--Patrick 21:05, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Basically I agree to use Template:sh, but there's one problem: the letters are quite hard to read. I do not think it is because of my monitor, I have a standard one. Is there a way to get the font readable? And is this format available for the other provinces too? Pethan 05:19, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The image is crude because it is an enlargement by a factor 2 of the image on nl: It is not ideal, but I think it is an improvement compared with the rather small original. It would be better if it were redrawn in this larger size. An intermediate solution would be to enlarge the unnumbered original but put the numbering again in the higher resolution. The map itself would be equally crude (but it is not very bad), but the numbers would look better.
There are such maps for four more provinces, see [1] and search for "nrs". Unnumbered versions for the other provinces could be cropped and enlarged from those at nl:Gebruiker:Mtcv/Locatie gemeenten.--Patrick 06:40, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I have applied a "softening" to the map. Do you think it is better now?--Patrick 07:58, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Yes, the map is better. But the letters of the municipality-names are difficult to read. Pethan 07:37, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I thought you were referring to the map. I have changed the font of the text to standard.--Patrick 10:39, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I'm sorry to say that the endresult is somewhat disappointing for two reasons: if you don't provide a parameter, the template will not work properly (please try out some municipalities in South Holland). Moreover, since most of the articles on municipalities are stub-like, this large navigation-tool will draw all the attention. Pethan 20:32, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
What do you mean by not work properly? I have specially created one version with and one without parameter. Do you mean the encouragement message to make an improvement, like we also have e.g. in the stub message?--Patrick 22:55, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Yes, now I understand. I will help to fill in the parameters :)
OK, just one more thing to nag about: is it possible to place the numbers in a more logical order on the maps? I will be glad to help if it is possible Pethan 06:52, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Or do you refer to the situation before the end of last morning, when I fixed a few things?--Patrick 23:31, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

To find a municipality link for a given name, the list has to be alphabetical; to find it then on the map, geographical order of the numbers in the map would be better (then the numbers are not in numerical order in the list). However, one also wants to easily find the name and link for a given number one sees on the map. I see two possibilities:

  • two lists, one alphabetical, one in numerical order
  • putting not only numbers but also names in the map, or only the first few letters

I think I like that second option. People who know municipality names but no exact locations can see these in the map and understand from a few letters which is meant.

The maps without numbers are available, see link above, so these could be used to make the new ones.

Also navigational maps like [2] would be nice, where map areas link to pages. This html with <area> tags is currently not allowed with the software, but a refined version of [3] could also be considered.

Patrick 10:06, 2004 Aug 28 (UTC)

I am struggling to find a way to easily represent family trees for my own mediawiki installation. I create them in Visio, export the tree as an image, then use Mapedit to build an imagemap. Since mediwiki won't support <area> tags, I can't use the imagemap. The timeline feature doesn't really solve my problem. Numbered solutions like Patrick's don't really work well for family trees. Anyone have a solution?
Adam Dray 21:53, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The business and economics forum[edit]

Announcing the introduction of The Business and Economics Forum. It is a "place" where those of us with an interest in the business and economics section of Wikipedia can "meet" and discuss issues. Please drop by: the more contributors, the greater its usefulness. If you know of other Wikipedians who might be interested, please send this to them.

mydogategodshat 19:12, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Polisario[edit]

Patrick:

Thanks for fixing my editing error on that page. That wasn't something I meant to do, as I think my history would show. I think everything else that I did, although minor, really helps the article.

Rlquall 16:36, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

No problem.--Patrick 21:42, 2004 Sep 3 (UTC)

Sexual Attraction[edit]

Howdy. I placed a note to you on the discussion page of sexual attraction and have not heard from you, yet. KeyStroke

New WikiProject[edit]

Hi Patrick, you may have noticed that User:Pethan and I have been working on Dutch municipalities.As you seem to be interested in the subject, I want to invite you to take a look at the project I've started, Wikipedia:WikiProject Dutch municipalities. Eugene van der Pijll 23:18, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Aaron Peterson[edit]

I just converted a portion of m:Help:Contents into a template, that can be included , and need to not go too far into the conversion, because I have a concern about templates being imported properly when a user imports the help. I chose a rather important section of the documentation to test (sysadmin), and then saw the note about linking... I had seen it before, and even read it, but had no idea what it meant.. untill it clicked.. I now know what namespaces are for! and "Help" is a good enough namespace for me to help move appropriate pages to, I still think that feature requests could belong on a case by case basis, depending on how they are written.. but now see the problem of having them in the documentation! This documentation is for more than just the audience of Meta, it is supposed to be imported into other wikis!..

When I first started working on wiki's I started working by myself.. but, I tried to be considerate of others working on the project, by letting them know what the plan was for the page. I developed this system: 

    Name:Purpose:
         Plan:

example: 

Alpine: promote what I care about
        by linking and describing

which evolved into: 

Alpine: what I care about
        promote and link

for brevity, however, I spent a lot of time trying to figure out what was going on on these meta pages. I'd love to be told straight up what the intended purpose and plan are... so I don't go counterproductive. AaronPeterson 12:04, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hi Aaron,

Specific subjects we can discuss on the talk page concerned. More generally: the Help namespace is generally written in a reference style where we systematically try to document how things work. The plan is the rather obvious: to keep them up-to-date, add what is still missing, correct what is wrong, rephrase what is not clear. Your style is sometimes more suitable for talk pages or Meta's main namespace; talk pages are more free regarding content, correct spelling and capitalization, section size (yours are often very short), etc.--Patrick 21:01, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

User:Guanabot[edit]

...is a bot owned by Guanaco, and his changes are in line with valid HTML syntax as per the W3C. If you wish to attempt communication with him, talk to Guanaco, and please try to remember to check userpages with "bot" in them before blocking those people. -- Grunt 15:51, 2004 Sep 12 (UTC)

I know it is bot, and I used User talk:Guanaco. Several people questioned the edits, and Guanaco agrees.--Patrick 20:35, 2004 Sep 12 (UTC)

Help Needed[edit]

Hi, you've contributed to the Interpersonal relationships page - could you please go over to Hugh Hefner where an edit war is in progress over the meaning and use of the word "mistress" and assist there? Thanks.

Solar sail - something's still not right somewhere[edit]

I've put a combination comment/question over at Talk:Solar sail about the "double/halve" wording issue, in case you didn't see it. Bryan 06:48, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

{{li}}[edit]

Hello. I notice you restored {{li}} which I removed when I tagged and edited the caption on Image:Benidorm_uitzicht_vanaf_het_kruis.jpg. I wonder if you could tell me what this is, as I can't work it out or understand its purpose. Thanks. — Trilobite (Talk) 09:55, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

It produces an enlargement. See also Template talk:Li.--Patrick 10:00, 2004 Sep 17 (UTC)

So I gathered, but what's the point exactly? The enlargement is inevitably very grainy and I'm not sure I see its value to Wikipedia readers or contributors. Is there any particular reason why that image has this template? There are plenty more small images around that don't. A glance at what links here reveals there are very few images that use this. — Trilobite (Talk) 10:10, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I know it is grainy. Theoretically with a good monitor and excellent eyes it does not supply additional information, but in practice one can see more detail, and apart from that the visual impact is larger. I recommend putting it on most or all image description pages or make it automatic with a software change.--Patrick 10:36, 2004 Sep 17 (UTC)
For small images I have now made another template with a smaller enlargement, because enlarging by more than a factor 2 starts getting less useful.--Patrick 10:56, 2004 Sep 17 (UTC)

Offering Assistance With Help Namespace[edit]

I see that there is some work on the Help Namespace, and I would like to help. I'm copying over the things from Meta, but I'm unsure in what other ways I can assist. There is obviously a lot of relinking within Wikipedia to do? Unless of course most of Wikipedia's help references should still go back to Meta. I'm also curious what is the status right now. Should Wikipedia still refer Meta for most of its details? Who are the people mainly working on this right now. Please reply this on my talk page if it isn't too much trouble. Wilz (Talk) 18:48, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Data Management Wiki Committee[edit]

Thank you for your contribution to one, or more, articles that are now organized under Data management.

Because of your previous intrest, you are recieving an invitation to become a founding member of the Data Management Wiki Committee.

The members, of course, will form and solidify the purpose, rules, officers, etc. but my idea (to kick things off) is to establish a group of us who will take responsiblity to see that the ideas of Data management are promoted and well represented in Wikipedia articles.

If you are willing to join the committee, please go to Category_talk:Data_management and indicate your acceptance of this invitation by placing your three tilde characters in the list.

KeyStroke 01:31, 2004 Sep 25 (UTC)

Question list Gangleri[edit]

  • Halló Patrik! Thanks for your answer at the Wikipedia:Help_desk#.... I arrived the 21st of September and read a lot here and there.
  • I was a little confused while putting the question about indication when "discussion" is not empty. I realised later that the color will change depending if there is a discussion or not.
  • Before I ask you to take a look at my question list please let me know what do you meen by: No need for special text, just make the css for "li.new a" the same as for "a.new". For myself I do that, perhaps that should be in the default css also.? I read a lot to be able to make User:Gangleri (at test.wikipedia) but I still miss lots of thigs. I worked with PHP and MySQL before but never with Java. Is css Java or HTML related?
  • I made a question list at Various "My own ... questions". Would be happy if you would let a note about the issues you already now. Do not waist time on researches. I hope that all together will answer the most important questions. Thanks! Gangleri 22:37, 2004 Sep 25 (UTC)
Hi, Gangleri, welcome! See Cascading Style Sheets and m:help:user style, m:help:editing, m:help:category. Some things work differently on the Test wiki, so the usefulness for testing has limitations. I would move the question list to Meta or Wikipedia.--Patrick 04:09, 2004 Sep 26 (UTC)
Thanks Patrick! I saw the answer. Will go to all of this. Gangleri 06:35, 2004 Sep 27 (UTC)

Two-body problem[edit]

You've done great work on the two-body problem article I started. It's a problem that should be interesting and accessible to anyone with a few semesters of college physics, yet nonintuitive enough that it is interesting to see the innovations Newton made. I was worried, though, when I started it, it would be lost on people with only a little physics background, and that it would end up being not very encyclopedic. We're still only part of the way through the solution — I hope to work on that soon — but thanks for making it a better article in a way I don't think I could have. CyborgTosser 17:11, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your compliments. I am looking forward to your additions.--Patrick 19:33, 2004 Oct 1 (UTC)

InterWiki links , m:Interwiki map[edit]

Halló Patrik, I ask you for a favor. On m:Help:Interwiki linking there are only o few examples related to the Wikipedia's sister projects. For Wkisource the example there is still m:wikisource:Main Page which would work too together with wikisource:Main Page. Would you please make the examples for all Wikipedia's sister projects mentioned / refered in w:en:Template:WikipediaSister {{Wikipediasister}} taking the information from m:Interwiki map. (Or please ask somebody else to make them.) Thanks! Gangleri 12:13, 2004 Oct 7 (UTC)

I do not understand the question, all five in w:en:Template:WikipediaSister and more are in m:Help:Interwiki linking.--Patrick 12:33, 2004 Oct 7 (UTC)
Halló Patrick, what I was traying to say is that
At m:Help:Interwiki linking more examples could be inserted. m:wikisource:Main Page will work but it will be redirected anyhow to wikisource:Main Page (without the m: - this is shorter).
I expresed me wrong about m:Help:Interwiki linking. To my understanding the page is supposed to be the place where people should find (some basic) help. Detaild help should be available at m:Interwiki map. I have seen at w:eo:Main Page that external links are used instead if InterWiki. See kunprojektoj. It maigth be, that there are otter [[w:xx:Main Page]] too, not using InterWiki links.
By the way:
m:commons:Main Page from m:Help:Interwiki linking goes to an Bad title [4].
Many xx.wikipedia have a REDIRECT from [[</nowiki>w:xx:Main Page]] to the name in that language, but do not have a REDIRECT from the [[</nowiki>w:xx:Main page]] . Is this a problem (because people are directed to edit this page)?
I placed some remarks at meta:User:Gangleri/remarks#Category:InterWiki_and_.2F_or_Template:InterWiki and meta:User:Gangleri/remarks#Invalid_InterWiki_links_.28list.3F.29 regarding InterWiki issues and bugs I found. I have seen that you worked on the main article. Would be happy to heare your opinion about all this.
I used "E-mail this user" and send you an e-mail. Have you received it or is your e-mail not valid any longer? See bugzilla:677. Regards Gangleri 22:33, 2004 Oct 11 (UTC)

Hi Gangleri,

Help:Interwiki linking is for MediaWiki software in general, with a template for info just for Wikimedia projects. I have tried to put such versions of the links that they work from each Wikimedia project.

I updated/corrected the commons-links.

Usually interwiki links are preferred over external link style.

You can make more redirects, they help in searching.

Yes, I received your mail, I had not checked it yet; I do not know why the search works in eo: but not in en:. Remember that the search facility is often switched off for performance reasons.

Regards, --Patrick 23:48, 2004 Oct 11 (UTC)

Thanks Patrick! I made [5]. Regards Gangleri 08:41, 2004 Oct 13 (UTC)

external search facility[edit]

    • I would say making a redirect for a common misspelling is enough.--Patrick 07:27, 2004 Oct 18 (UTC)
  • The question relates mainly to search engines. Normaly a REDIRECT does not have a content. If you look at the HTML source code of a Wikipedia page with your browser, you will find (all?) the links in the meta KEYWORDS header. The question is: How would you influence the meta KEYWORDS header creating / editing an article in Wikipedia?
  • Example: Look at the HTML source code of Icelandic Sheepdog. You will not find the Alternative names (Icelandic Spitz, Iceland Dog, Íslenskur fjárhundur, Islandsk Farehond, Friaar Dog, Canis islandicus) there. You will see misspelled names only if you edit the text. (refered previously by e-mail). Regards Gangleri 22:45, 2004 Oct 19 (UTC)

meta:Help:Link#Subpage feature[edit]

  • Dear Patrick, I saw you at the history of meta:Help:Link#Subpage feature. Is there any way to see what subpages are below a page? What happens if you forgot the name(s) of the subpage(s)? You will need to search all contributions. Regards Gangleri 02:13, 2004 Oct 18 (UTC)
Oddly, that does not seem possible, but you can search for your name in that namespace: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?ns2=1&search=gangleri&searchx=Search
Thank you for the answer! It works at en:, meta:, de:, is:, ro:. Unfortunatelly not at eo:. The first link at eo:Vikipediisto:Gangleri#... Aldonaj paĝoj does not work imediately: "searchx" translates first to "searc%C4%A5". If you change it back manualy, you will find the pages. Is there a way to fix the link?
I don't know, it works for me.--Patrick 22:54, 2004 Oct 19 (UTC)

Search[edit]

  • Where can I find the full syntax (a description of all "?" / "&" parameters) of search? Gangleri 22:31, 2004 Oct 19 (UTC)
We have m:Help:Searching, whether it is complete I do not know.--Patrick 22:43, 2004 Oct 19 (UTC)

Test Wikipedia[edit]

I do not know why. Also selecting the skin MySkin has no effect here.--Patrick 10:07, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)

Colon in link[edit]

  • Dear Patrick, I made some minimal correcttions at meta:Help:Namespace. Help:Namespace a copy of it at en.wikipwdia has some broken links (because due to InterWiki links the text can not just be transfered with copy and paste). Regards Gangleri 04:16, 2004 Oct 18 (UTC)
You mean the colon in [[:Help:Talk page]]? The colon has effect in links to images and categories and interlanguage links, but why do you use it here? Regards, Patrick 07:48, 2004 Oct 18 (UTC)
Before I inserted the colon at meta:Help:Namespace in [[:Help:Talk page]] I saw a red link. Clicking at it directed me imediatly to edit (that text was already there). This phenomen disapeared after inserting the colon. I can not reproduce this at the moment looking on [6]. Maybe behaviour / versions have changed in the meen time. I was thinking that it is not good addessing a Help page within Help. It worked after the change (WORKSFORME). Regards Gangleri 23:01, 2004 Oct 19 (UTC)

strange InterWiki's[edit]

CURRENTTIME bug?[edit]

Hello Patrick. I am new at en.wiki, I am from es.wiki and I don't know anybody here. Are you a developer? Can you check Wikipedia:Sandbox/CURRENTTIME for a possible bug? Thanks! --Pybalo 15:48, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

On Wikipedia it depends on whether you are logged in, if not you get a cached version of the page. I do not know the installation settings to fix this, I am not a developer.--Patrick 16:07, 2004 Oct 25 (UTC)

Sharing templates accross projects[edit]

  • Dear Patrick! I understand that with version mediawiki 1.4 (?) it should be possible to share images between projects. I noticed that (maybe only temporarely) changing a template without editing the page where it is referenced / used will not show the newest version of the page (delivered from the cache). This is not the main issue.
  • It would be still nice to have the ability to share the templates and / or to be able to use a redirect between projects or to have another alternative solution.
  • As it is now the template has to be copied. This is more work anyhow. Regards Gangleri 01:34, 2004 Oct 27 (UTC)

Disambiguation "Wikipedia:"[edit]

Apparent weight[edit]

THank you for your editing. I propose that we discuss the subject on the apparent weight discussion page where I have put a comment. I have started the page on apparent weight in order help solve some of the ambiguities I have seen with my students (that is rather common in many textbooks) on what a scale or balance really measures. One think is sure: a spring does not measure the weight of a body itself but another force that also acts on the body. --Nicop 07:47, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Texel[edit]

Thanks for fixing (and restoring) the non-working link I had removed. Do you remember what was wrong with it? StanZegel 08:15, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Yes, unfortunately they have changed directory "gem" to "gemeentes" without redirect. This applies for all municipalities of the country.--Patrick 08:45, 2004 Oct 28 (UTC)

Collision[edit]

Hi Patrick. The missile-related paragraphs on this page are interesting but widely off the general topic of 'collision'. Wouldn't they be more usefully moved to National Missile Defense? Thanks. --Air 09:25, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I've rationalised the sections in collision, hope you agree with the changes. --Air 09:44, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
It is OK now, but normally when one considers a move, one should not do only the deletion part of it.--Patrick 12:44, 2004 Oct 28 (UTC)

meta:Help:Interwiki linking[edit]

  • Dear Patrick! Maybe you add some comments at meta:Help:Interwiki linking about languages written from right to left. It took me some time to understand to put the colons on the right at he:משתמש:Gangleri.
    • A link to an article there would look like: [[en:Wikipedia:WikiProject Dog breeds:]].
    • Refering to a category without adhering to it would look like [[כלבים:Category:]] for he:Category:כלבים
    • Inserting images is real tricky ...
    • I am happy: Copy and paste between languages works fine between projects. Regards Gangleri 06:19, 2004 Oct 31 (UTC)
Yes, RTL is tricky. May be you can add your findings to m:RTL.--Patrick 10:13, 2004 Oct 31 (UTC)

Anchor Wikipedia:Hyperlink[edit]

  • Dear Patrick, Is there any way to define anchors in an article without creating a section and without breaking the page or formated lists (with *, **, ***)? It would be nice to have this possibility. I was searching but the only articles start from Wikipedia:Hyperlink.
  • I tried to make one at de:Benutzer Diskussion:Caronna both with <a name="Seitenanfang">Seitenanfang</a> and later with <a id="Seitenanfang">Seitenanfang</a> without success. Regards Gangleri 01:07, 2004 Nov 2 (UTC)
There are some possibilities, see m:Help:Link#Linking_to_a_page. If div disturbs the format, try font.--Patrick 01:25, 2004 Nov 2 (UTC)
Thank you for the answer. I will tray. Gangleri 01:43, 2004 Nov 2 (UTC)
It worked. Maybe you insert an example in the documentation. I have not analysed side effets so far. Gangleri 01:56, 2004 Nov 2 (UTC)
  • Dear Patrick, maybe (or may be) you should handle known bugs in the documentation as well and should specify some guidlines. I experimented a lot with in may languages and have seen:
    • interwiki linking differs between en.wikipedia and non en.wikipedia's;
    • there are problems with some of the 16 namespaces when links are used in en.wikipedia as well;
    • links and anchors should not use characters as ", ', (, ) ...;
    • this is why whenever possible characters from the English alphabet should be used ...;
  • If you document this, I could report them to a central place and would refer to bugzilla id's. Regards Gangleri 01:43, 2004 Nov 2 (UTC)

random content[edit]

  • Dear Patrick, I could not read all the documentation so far. I would be happy to know if random content can be added to the page. At most of the pages from my homepage see index I use PHP to show one of n pictures. Reload the page to see this.
  • Would site / article caching influence this? I ask for a random feature available without reediting the page or overcome the caching in another way.
  • For some articles about dogs we want to show the different colours. The pictures would be available anyway. Why not show a random picture in the articles main box. (For example at Alaskan Malamute]. Is there any way to make this. Involving more people in Wikipedia will help to a larger content for other topics too. Regards Gangleri 02:07, 2004 Nov 2 (UTC)
I do not think there is any randomness feature except Special:Randompage, and anyway, it may be confusing. If you judge whether you want to make an edit, looking at the page would not be enough, you would have to look at the set of possible pages. For images thumbnails work fine. Regards, --Patrick 02:53, 2004 Nov 2 (UTC)
  • All the squares behind [7] and generaly all pages behind the links at [8] are generated randomly too. It is easier to understand / see a general property, if you have more examples as looking at one example only. Regards Gangleri 04:38, 2004 Nov 2 (UTC)

Janus article[edit]

  • Dear Patrick, I am experiencing a dilemma: I have to maintain huge lists which should be both articles and working lists with additional information. Is it possible to have two Janus faces of an article using parameters? I search for a turnaround to have somthing like page and page?show_details=yes. Maybe using templates and / or redirects would help to have such an alternativ.
  • The article should look like this:
    • item_01
    • item_02
    • item_n
  • The working list should look like this:
    • item_01, stub
    • item_02, add picture
    • item_n, translate es:
    • notes: bla bla
  • This Janus face should be maintained by different people and having only one central place would make thinks easier. Regards Gangleri 03:13, 2004 Nov 3 (UTC)
The only I can think of is making two pages, and putting the common parts in templates.--Patrick 08:02, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)
What you can do is use an existing, but empty template as parameter, see http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Patrick --Patrick 09:02, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)
Thank you for your help. It was tricky to "create an empty template". I did it like you did because I later looked at [9]. Regards Gangleri 11:39, 2004 Nov 5 (UTC)

Leiden[edit]

Dear Patrick,

On Monday I revised the Leiden wiki. Among other things, I deleted the sentence There are plans for a mega movie theater and disco (see nightclub) next to the bus station. from the Leiden site. You restored it, so I figure it must have been your contribution.

I had a few reasons to delete the sentence:

  1. I thougth it was trivial, not the first thing someone would want to know about Leiden
  2. I thought it was an open door (I guess every town now and then has plans to build mega movie theaters, nightclubs, etcetera )
This may apply for a disco, but not at all for a mega movie theater, it would be the first one in Leiden, and most towns do not have one.--Patrick 22:30, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)
  1. I thought it was not detailed enough (when are those plans to be realized? why is this such an interesting project? what's the project's name? is it part of a greater project to embellish Leiden? is there any opposition against the project)
Usually texts on Wikipedia grow gradually, an all-or-nothing requirement is not appropriate. I think I will add more later, and you are welcome to look up info and add more too, of course. The current text is just a start, deleting that is not helpful.--Patrick 22:30, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)
I guess we are essentially thinking along the same line. I'll see if I can find some information. Maybe together with the info on the RijnGouweLijn it could become a nice section on 'Leiden in the near future'. Thanks for your fast answer.Paul 22:55, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

As you reverted my deletion, you obviously don't agree with at least one of my reasons. Therefore I hope you can fill me in, especially on my third remark. I think if we could add some more information and details the topic would become more interesting. Moreover, information on the project might shed some light on present-day Leiden, a subject that is hardly covered on the page yet.Paul 21:05, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Dear Patrick, I noticed on the Leiden site that many of the links to Public Transport Timetables (especially the trains) are broken. I wouldn't know where to update them, maybe we could replace them with a link to www.ns.nl. What do you think? Paul11:52, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Yes, unfortunately NS has changed the URLs, I removed the dead links.--Patrick 12:09, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)

About caching[edit]

  • Dear Patrick, Where can I find documentation about caching? I learned that in order to update a page (due to the change of a template, creation of a category witch was referenced but not defined before) I can use http://is.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title={{PAGENAMEE}}&action=purge this gives [10] as mentioned at is:Notandaspjall:Gangleri#Caching. Regards Gangleri 09:15, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)
Thanks, I have added that on Meta.--Patrick 09:56, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)

Redirecting a category[edit]

I would not call it a bug, the redirect itself works; you seem to assume a feature that does not exist. It is the requested enhancement bugzilla:100. It would be useful, moving a category is now very cumbersome.--Patrick 08:09, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)
Thank you for your work. It is realy a complicated issue
- first not to include the the redirected category in the target one and
- seccond display the articles and subcategories from the redirected category in the target one. Regards Gangleri 09:30, 2004 Nov 7 (UTC)

Alternatives for page formating[edit]

You can use <font id=".." ></font>:
  1. Efnisflokkar eftir löndum (0) (einnig í Lönd)
    1. Framhaldsskólar eftir löndum (0) (einnig í Framhaldsskólar)
      1. Danskir framhaldsskólar (1)
      2. Íslenskir framhaldsskólar (6) (einnig í Íslenskar menntastofnanir)

Regards, --Patrick 08:15, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

Alternatives for page formating works[edit]

  • Thanks Patrick! I used a format as this:
  • ####<font id="Landafraedi"></font>[[:Flokkur:Landafræði|Landafræði]] (1) (einnig í [[:Flokkur:Jarðvísindi|Jarðvísindi]], [[:Flokkur:Náttúruvísindi|Náttúruvísindi]], [[:Flokkur:Raunvísindi|Raunvísindi]]) *** anchor *** and
  • ########<font id="Island"></font>[[:Flokkur:Ísland|Ísland]] (9) (einnig í [[:Flokkur:Landafræði|Landafræði]], [[:Flokkur:Norðurlönd|Norðurlönd]]) *** anchor ***
  • Please note that the "#" characters are still at the beginning of the new lines.
  • You recommendet <font id=".." ></font> with the "/" character. It is long that I read some HTML documentation. What version of HTML Wikimedia software is complaying and where I can find an updated and usefull docummentation of that HTML version? Regards Gangleri 09:06, 2004 Nov 8 (UTC)
In XHTML the minimized tag syntax for an empty HTML element (abbreviated form of the combination of opening and closing tag) is e.g. <br />.--Patrick 09:16, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)
Thanks! I did not know this before. Regards Gangleri 12:30, 2004 Nov 8 (UTC)
  • Dear Patrick, Special credits for your patience with me, your help and documenation work at all the "wiki" projects. Regards Gangleri 20:33, 2004 Nov 8 (UTC)
Thanks! Your advanced use of templates, etc. is quite interesting.--Patrick 20:44, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)
Thanks too. The best what I did until now is User:Gangleri/tests/list (maintenance) IMSoP. Please follow the discussion starting at User talk:IMSoP#Janus Lists of dog breeds (and appendixes 1, 2, 3 ...). Thanks!
Please notify me know when "a template can be used more then four times" in a article, another template and so on. Regards Gangleri 03:28, 2004 Nov 9 (UTC)
OK. I added m:Help:Template#Example along the lines of your template construction.--Patrick 11:09, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

Moser polygon notation[edit]

There is a question at the talk page that I asked 2 months ago but that hasn't been answered. Can you clarify the meaning of the word?? 66.32.248.67 23:22, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I (Gangleri) want to let you know about:[edit]

Thanks, I added that to m:Help:Section#Section_linking.--Patrick 08:48, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)
I will need some time to read it carefully. I did not know __NOEDITSECTION__. Do you know where I can find a (complete) list? 17:10, 2004 Nov 16 (UTC)
If you mean these codes with underscores, I know only the four on that page.--Patrick 21:53, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)
I posted bugzilla:917. 06:26, 2004 Nov 20 (UTC)
You can put it on Wikipedia:Bot requests.--Patrick 12:01, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)
Thanks! I posted Wikipedia:Bot requests#Multiple redirects across projects. Regards Gangleri | Th | T 17:10, 2004 Nov 16 (UTC)

Nuclear explosion[edit]

I noticed you have removed my comment about multiple nuclear explosions possibly igniting the atmosphere of the earth. That is a possible scenario and here are some sites that back it up, although I was partially wrong in saying that the hydrogen would ignite, it would be the nitrogen.


http://www.dailyherald.com/special/crossingcenturies/4a/9rest.asp

Here is a book also

Peter Wyden, Day One: Before Hiroshima and After (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1984).

I humbly ask if you would re-enter my comment or if I may be allowed to re-enter it myself. Thank you

I have added Nuclear_explosion#Early_concern_about_possible_ignition_of_the_atmosphere_with_a_nuclear_explosion.--Patrick 09:22, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)


Thanks!

Article licensing[edit]

I've "started" the Free the Rambot Articles Project which aims to get users to release all of their contributions to the U.S. state, county, and city articles under the CC-by-sa 1.0 and 2.0 license (at minimum) or into the public domain if they prefer. A secondary goal is to get those users to release ALL of their edits for ALL articles. I've personally chosen to multi-license all of the rambot and Ram-Man contributions under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike License so that other projects, such as WikiTravel, can use our articles. I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all your contributions (or at minimum those on the geographic articles) so that we can keep most of the articles available under the multi-license. Many users use the {{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}} template (or even {{MultiLicensePD}} for public domain) on their user page, but there are other templates for other options at Template messages/User namespace. If you only prefer using the GFDL, I understand, but I thought I'd at least ask, just in case, since the number of your edits is in the top 20 most. If you do want to do it, simply just copy and paste one of the above two templates into your user page and it will allow us to track those users who have done it. For example:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain (which many people do or don't like to do, see Wikipedia:Multi-licensing), you could replace {{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}} with {{MultiLicensePD}} -- Ram-Man 15:01, Nov 24, 2004 (UTC)

With a GFDL license only, if I work on GFDL sites and someone else makes a derivative work elsewhere, then I can take the parts I like and add them to the GFDL sites. I like that. For now I consider dual licensing on a case-by-case basis only.--Patrick 23:14, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)
Alright. BTW, I noticed you were thinking about the minor edit public domain. If you copy someone else's changes from another GFDL article, then that article is not under YOUR copyright, so you are not authorized to put it under any other license even if you mark it as minor. That's the reason the text says "eligible contributions". Only those contributions for which you own the copyright can be licensed in any way that you choose. If you do copy, you should make sure you make that clear in the summary, in order to avoid copyright issues for others. So maybe that will clarify the issue for it. There is no risk as long as it is not YOUR edits that you are copying. -- Ram-Man 02:18, Nov 28, 2004 (UTC)
Yes, I understand. But it becomes a heavier responsibility to fill in the edit summary, even for just a quick test, etc.--Patrick 03:15, Nov 28, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for Cleaning Up My Electron Entry[edit]

Thanks for cleaning up my editting, particularly my erroneous equation between gamma and energy. -- RichBlinne 14:58, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

User:Patrick/w[edit]

Patrick, I've removed the current content of your /w page since it kept appearing in categories to which it doesn't belong. There may be a way you can reinstate - but please don't include the categorisations - since these are causing problems. Thanks, Ian Cairns 14:56, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot this side-effect. I have fixed it now.--Patrick 02:38, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)

Common year calendars[edit]

Hi Patrick,

I'm starting to update the current common year calendars to tables, and eventually to build month/year templates. I'd appreciate it if you could take a look at User:Amgine/Sandbox.

- Amgine 07:15, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I like the change, except that "Examples" should be something like "Other years".
Separate matters are that I would prefer weeks starting with Monday, and that week numbers would be nice.
Regards, --Patrick 07:58, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

Please don't make links so complicated[edit]

Hello. There is no need to write [[orbit|orbits]] or [[planet|planets]] as you did in ellipse. You can write instead [[orbit]]s, and the whole word, including the final s, appears as a clickable link. Similarly [[logic]]al, [[hyphen]]ated, [[Australia]]n, etc. Michael Hardy 22:58, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, I know. That was somebody else's text I restored.--Patrick 23:07, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)

Your recent edit at Tu-144: mass vs. weight[edit]

Although your edit is very sensible on the grounds of physics, the aviation term is "empty weight" and not "empty mass". BACbKA 21:26, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I see.--Patrick 21:34, Dec 23, 2004 (UTC)

Image:Train Mat 64.jpg[edit]

An {{unverified}} tag has been added to your contributed image (above). Please replace with the appropriate copyright tag. Thank you, Duk 16:26, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Moment magnitude scale[edit]

Could you add an explanation for what EJ and PJ mean in your added math markup section? I'm not very familiar with geophysics, and am not at all sure what this means, though I understand a power of 32 increase in energy between adjacent M0's. --ABQCat 02:31, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

J is Joule, and I have linked the SI prefixes now.--Patrick 08:39, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)
Aha. Those I am familiar with (engineering student here). Still, do you think that instead of Peta- and Exa- Joules, we could list the energies as 10^15 and 10^18 Joules? It's more obvious without needing to visit the wikilinks. Any ideas? --ABQCat 08:52, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Please keep the prefixed notation, but add the powers, if you want.--Patrick 09:26, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)

Nevada#Important cities and towns[edit]

In Nevada#Important cities and towns, your change results in "pdf" just floating underneath the map. Why do you insist on having a link just float there? It's bad layout and your revert just puts it back. Cburnett 21:33, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I have made a box, so that it is clear that the link and the image belong together. I think a direct link is much more convenient than having to go to the image description page first. There is already a link "Enlarge" to a medium quality version, why not directly link to the best version?
You are welcome to suggest a different lay-out, while keeping the link, preferably close to the thumbnail.
--Patrick 21:56, Jan 7, 2005 (UTC)
Already did. The table color you used didn't show up in my browser, but had it....it still would have been a floating link. I think the current way is a happy compromise. Cburnett 22:06, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Excellent!--Patrick 22:22, Jan 7, 2005 (UTC)

Template:Pic[edit]

Hi, did you create the {{pic}} template? Is there a template for "there are pictures at:". It would be useful for animal pages where the wikipedia article uses the English name, but the commons article uses latin. — Zeimusu | Talk 08:08, 2005 Jan 30 (UTC)

There is also Template:Commons with the target as parameter. Additionally I made Template:Picp. See Primate.--Patrick 09:20, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)
Please stop making templates which incorporate only minor wording changes. It is a form of insidious instruction creep and leads to an inconsistent environment. Stick to Template:Commons or Template:Commonscat. -- Netoholic @ 21:49, 2005 Jan 31 (UTC)

There have been discussions as to whether Template:Pic, which you created, should be orphaned and deleted. You might want to state your opinion at Template talk:Pic. Also, I suppose that the same will be said of Template:Picp eventually, although I have no intention of dealing with that at the moment. If you're interested in the sister projects templates, by the way, I suggest that you vote at WP:TFD#Template:Sisterproject as to whether the {{Sisterproject}} template should be kept. -- Itai 20:53, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Netoholic has orphaned Template:Picp prior to listing it on WP:TFD. This is very naughty, and against regulations. He's done this sort of thing before. He once even used a bot (Netbot) to remove a template of mine he did not like. This is also naughty. I'm not very fond of Netoholic. If you don't care about Template:Picp, or approve of Netoholic's actions, do nothing. (Read no further, as far as I am concerned, and ignore this post entirely.) However, if you disapprove, I'll back you up if you want to do anything about it, from dispute resolution to registering an RFC. (Which requires a two person threshold.) -- — Itai (f&t) 21:05, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Netoholic's actions are not always appropriate, I agree. However, Picp may not be needed after all.--Patrick 22:08, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)
Darn it, I thought I had him nailed. Back to plan B. Do you know where I can get half a dozen anacondas? (If that joke was any older, the anacondas would get it. Would you at least consider voting - either way - at WP:TFD#Template:Sisterproject and Template talk:Sisterproject#Survey?) — Itai (f&t) 22:30, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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