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Q: Why can I not add "Shri", "Chhatrapati", or "Maharaj" to Sambhaji's name?

A: As per WP:Honorifics and WP:Commonname, in Wikipedia, we refer to people by their commonly used name in the cited academic sources. We do not include titles or Honorifics unless they are commonly used in the cited sources (Shambaji does not fall in this category).
Please note Charles III, where he is referred to as "Charles" throughout, not "King Charles" nor "His Royal Highness" or whatnot. We clearly note Sambhaji's titles in the article, we just don't repeat them each time his name is written.

Q: Why does it say "addiction to sensual pleasures"? I do not like that!

A: That is exactly what the cited source says, and other sources note allegations that he behaved inappropriately with a Brahmin woman, or may have committed some other offense. Suffice to say, for whatever reason, Shivaji confined him to Panhala. If you know of an alternate theory for that confinement, and have a reliable source, you can add that as an alternative theory, but you cannot simply remove that explanation unless you have very strong evidence that such story is obsolete according to modern scholars.

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False Information about our King Chhatrapati Sambhaji Maharaj[edit]

I would like to bring your attention to change the false Information provided on such a global informational website The information is totally false which is leading to defaming of our historical leaders. Chatrapati Sambhaji Maharaj was never addicted to sensual pleasures and was not in any love affair with any other lady. He was married to Yesubai and she is his only wife. Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj didn't imprison him for his behaviour. He was sent to Panhala For Political Tactics which was being played against Mughals. Shivaji Maharaj and Sambhaji Maharaj were inseparable as they carried immense sense of love and respect for eachother. There was no other relation which was as strong and pure as I between those two Please remove/change the information which is written in present article and avoid defaming our Great Hindu Warriors. Rohitkokitkar (talk) 21:16, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: This information is stated in the various sources cited throughout the article. Please provide reliable sources that state otherwise. SKAG123 (talk) 22:43, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Sambhaji Raja[edit]

I would like to inform the false information displayed on your webpage, Sambhaji https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambhaji.

The given reference number 7 is inaccurate on Sambhaji page in sections “Capture & Execution” & "Accession”. I can prove this to you with legitimate proofs regarding reference 7 on both webpages that talks about involvement of Shirke for the death of Chatrapati Sambhaji Raje. The referenced book writer by J. L. Mehta on both the webpages points that Soyarabai belonged to Shirke family before marriage (Page 47, History of Modern India 1707-1813). But in fact Soyarabai belonged to the Mohate family before the marriage & Soyarabai was was the younger sister of Maratha army chief Hambirao Mohite. This proof is present on your other webpage; Soyarabai (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyarabai), which is also a well known fact in the Maratha’s history.

Please remove this reference from the both the webpages.

Next, the Brahmins were involved in the murder of Chatrapati Sambhaji Raje, according to the records of Martin Fransisco in his dairy (page Mars 1689). The dairy remains in Paris museum after Martin’s death & also available online. Please find the copy of the French manuscript, which says "close Brambhins betrayed Chatrapati Sambhaji Raje, therefore Chatrapati Sambhaji Raje was caught & killed by Mughal Army". Shirke belonged to the ruling cast, which is Kshatriya cast & not Bramhin cast. Martin’s diary is the only proof the Government of Maharashtra has with them & the government has no proof against Shirke family on official records. Please find the Maharashtra Government's letter in Marathi language attached too. Therefore, I kindly request you to update the webpage Shirke & webpage Sambhaji, that Shirke didn’t betrayed Chatrapati Sambhaji Raje at any point. The close Bramhins were betrayed the Maratha emperor & involved in the murder of Chatrapati Sambhaji Raje. Close Brambhins had previously attempted to kill Chatrapati Sambhaji Raje; which is Annaji Datta & family.

Many thanks for your time. Please update the both the webpages ASAP.

Wishing you all the best, that more accurate information will be displayed on your platform!

Yours sincerely, 2A00:23C7:AE04:3701:8026:13E5:5E12:64C8 (talk) 15:46, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OR on the execution of Sambhaji[edit]

@Anvesh.rajeshirke, please read WP:OR. We can't make assumptions from sources, but should make citations based on the statements in it. So consider finding sources that explicitly stated the claim. And please insert the tag again. Imperial ^[AFCND] 07:14, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The proof is available in public domain & reliable. As Martin has written over 3 books full of his experiences in India. Martin lived in Infia at the same time when Sambhaji Maharaj was captured. As Martins life was affected by this event as he was the Governor of French colony. Martin flawless mentioned the culprits of the events. Therefore this diary has been unprecedented proof, which shall be displayed to wider audience. University students from India have done PhD on Martin's diaries; please search in Google scholar to confirm. All the other proofs such as Mehta book; says Soyarabai had been the culprit & presents her as the Shirke's daughter. However Soyarabai had been the Mohite's daughter & Habbirao Mohite's sistet, you can check this on Soyarabai's Wikipedia page and other legitimate proofs. All the other authors including Mehta published his book in 90's without any solid proof regarding the capture event, these are mere speculations. Today we have the solid proof. Therefore this page from Martin's diary is very important, which is the only proof government of Maharashtra holds now. In fact Maharashtra government clearly mentioned in a written document that they cannot find any proof that Ganoji Shirke had been involved with the capture. There are valid reasons for this. Therefore this source stands stronger than any other speculations that Brahmins had been the culprits. Kindly accept the truth. Anvesh.rajeshirke (talk) 11:07, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here we got some regulations for editing. We cannot make our own research, not can cite from Primary sources. Especially historical contexts. If you got better sources, use that. Imperial ^[AFCND] 11:16, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here we do have high standards. I'm a researcher in Imperial college London. So we'll aware of the citation & it's policy. Do you have better source? Other than Mehta. IMPERIAL[AFCND] Anvesh.rajeshirke (talk) 11:51, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ImperialAficionado Read the WP:OR definition carefully. The given source is contemporary, legitimate, & available in public domain. Therefore, falls distinct from the WP:OR guidelines. Anvesh.rajeshirke (talk) 12:09, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a misunderstanding. I am leaving this for anyone else. Please let me keep the ^{[original research?]} Tag there. Else the discussion won't last as none notices it. If nobody talks you about it for sometimes, remove the tag. How's it? Imperial ^[AFCND] 13:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please the message sent before, it is apt & stands within the guidelines. Anvesh.rajeshirke (talk) 17:34, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The French reference is a primary source.Mr. Shirke has to find a better secondary source if he wants to use this information.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 18:02, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is English Wikipedia, and therefore knowledge of the french language from the 17th century is not required.Please get the appropriate passage translated and add it to the note section.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 22:14, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]