Talk:Elyakim Rubinstein

Peace Talks

A couple articles suggest Rubinstein was present in talks, but none indicate that he did anything instrumental to promoting peace. Placed a tag looking for additional sources of verifications. Look forward to having the citations needed to remove the tags

Ferociouslettuce (talk) 21:34, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

I also added NPOV tags. The article suggests he is part of the peace process but, unmentioned, he very much contributes to alienation of palestinians as shown here in promoting their homes' demllishing: http://www.jpost.com/Israel/High-Court-Demolish-illegal-Palestinian-homes

Ferociouslettuce (talk) 19:49, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

I think I might have written this bit a long time ago, and I agree it could be reworded. My intent was not to claim he's a "peacemaker" in some general sense, but just to gloss in the intro what he did during his diplomatic career prior to becoming a judge (late 1970s through early 1990s). If the article is correct, in that portion of his career he spent much of his time negotiating and/or implementing treaties: it says he was "in charge of implementing the normalization of relations with Egypt" following the Camp David Accords, a part of the Madrid Conference negotiating team, and chair of the Jordan treaty negotiating team. --Delirium (talk) 23:07, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Delirium is quite correct. The "peace process" involves more than Palestinians. It also involves Egyptians and Jordanians, among others, and Rubinstein was very much a part of the peace process with those countries. In expanding the article I have added numerous sources citing his involvement. Ferociouslettuce is either confused, uninformed or intentionally misleading regarding the Supreme Court cases to which he refers. They have nothing to do with Palestinian villages. They involve illegally built, unplanned and unauthorized villages within Israel's pre-1967 boundaries that are populated by Israeli citizens who are Bedouin. Zozoulia (talk) 16:25, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Ferociouslettuce is deliberately sabotaging the neutrality of this article. As I posted below a year ago, Ferociouslettuce's original formulation states that Rubinstein supported the "destruction of Palestinian villages." First, the villages involved in these court cases are not in the State of Palestine (as defined by Wikipedia), but inside pre-1967 Israel. Second, they are populated not by Palestinians (a political, not an ethnic term) but by Bedouin who are Israeli citizens. Moreover, Mondoweiss is not a neutral source, doesn't pretend to be and anyone familiar with it knows it. It is not an appropriate source to use in Wikipedia. Finally and most importantly, the original formulation ignored the controversy in question, which is that the villages were "unrecognized," meaning that they were founded and constructed without proper government authorization. Leaving out that fact is prima facie evidence that the contributor sought to mislead readers into believing that Rubinstein supports the mass destruction of all Palestinian villages everywhere. I have now corrected that deliberate misuse of Wikipedia a second time and added additional information and citations. Zozoulia (talk) 23:48, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

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The original formulation of this section, inserted by Ferociouslettuce was clearly written in a way that violated Wikipedia's neutrality policy by stating that Rubinstein supported the "destruction of Palestinian villages." First, the villages involved in these court cases are not in the State of Palestine (as defined by Wikipedia), but inside pre-1967 Israel. Second, they are populated not by Palestinians (a political, not an ethnic term) but by Bedouin. Most importantly, the original formulation ignored the controversy in question, which is that the villages were "unrecognized," meaning that they were founded and constructed without proper government authorization. Leaving out that fact is prima facie evidence that the contributor sought to mislead readers into believing that Rubinstein supports the mass destruction of all Palestinian villages everywhere. I have corrected that deliberate misuse of Wikipedia and added additional information and citations.Zozoulia (talk) 06:45, 28 October 2016 (UTC)