Talk:History of Poland (966–1385)

Split

This article will soon be expanded and/or splitted into several subarticles. See Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Poland/Periodization. Most likely it will be the history article, and a new state article will be at Kingdom of Poland (Piasts). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:37, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Conversion to Christendom?

Converting to Christendom? Isn't it just Christianity? Thanks. I guess Poland could be said to have joined Christendom. - Slava 05:43, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

More neutral language needed

While reading this article I sometimes thought that a more neutral language would be more appropriate. Poland is certainly a country that has suffered much in history but other nations have done so, too. Sometimes the language is too tendentious, e.g. "the German element, backed by their government, became aggressive and sought to dominate the country", or "deeply rooted antagonism toward Russia as the representative of an essentially alien way of life".

Such statements as "This is eloquent testimony of the great assimilative powers of the people and of the state building capabilities of the Poles." are simply not adequate for a neutral historic article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.123.100.41 (talk • contribs) 13:41, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Thank you for the comments. Feel free to create an account and help us move toward Wikipedia:Neutral point of view.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 15:15, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Did a bit of edits just now, some of it may be because the author wasn't an native English speaker and some subtleties were lost. I'm still confused about the "technically king" part. Krupo 07:41, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

This "The conflict resulted in complete Polonization of the German element; the descendants of these settlers were among the most ardent Polish patriots. The success of Polonization served as eloquent testimony to the great assimilative powers of the people and of the state building capabilities of the Poles" kind of reads as propaganda. The last sentence, specially, seems unnecessary. I am not going to edit it because the pages related to the history of Poland are sensitive ones, but I think the language in this article could be improved. Some parts of it seem to be written in a defensive tone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leirus (talk • contribs) 08:56, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

what does this mean?

The provincial rulers of the Holy Roman Emperors, especially the Saxons, pursued policies of expansion to the East which were known as Drang nach Osten. The Slavic neighbors of Poland Sorbs and Polabians were the first target. In order to defeat Slavs, they sought allies further to the East. Therefore Poland in alliance to the Holy Roman Empire had time to prepare for the upcoming struggle against other Germanic invaders.

what does that last sentence mean? it is confusing

The entire paragraph is complete bullsh*t (excuse me). The term "Drang nach Osten" is a political term of the 19th century and usually not used in this context. The Polabian Slavs were not only the "target" of the Holy Roman Empire but also of Poland (and Bohemia), which all wanted the land of these heathens in order to extend their realms. The marked phrase implicates an everlasting struggle between German invaders and Polish victims, a thought which is picked up in the next paragraph: In 967 the Polish ruler defeated German Count Wichman and his allies.. Quite interesting, because Mieszko invaded the town of Wollin (also heathens) and Wichmann was called by Wollin to defend the city against Mieszko. Who is the invader and who pursued a policy of expansion? Only the Germans?

Sorry, but the perception of history in this article is highly naive and manipulating.Karasek (talk) 19:40, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

The respective paragraph was one of the nationalist vandalism of whoevers user:Armindi account, that raided wikipedia on 28 August. I reverted to previous version. Skäpperöd (talk) 08:51, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

The Integration

The section called Integration into European Civilization is added at random, controversial, POV, and unfair. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.87.13.71 (talk) 13:38, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

--Jadger 06:44, 23 February 2007 (UTC)