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Map of countries of Formula 1 drivers on Wikipedia includes occupied Crimea as part of Russia. This kind of subtle Russian propaganda & disinformation is highly effective and has no place on Wikipedia. Needs to be fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexandrestark (talk • contribs) 14:11, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- This is not "subtle Russian propaganda & disinformation". This map shows de facto borders. This map does not show borders by legal consensus. The reality of the situation is that Russia has successfully annexed the Crimea - this is why it is coloured together with Russia. This is also why Taiwan is not coloured the same as China, despite it officailly being part of China. SSSB (talk) 14:39, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- Wikipedia should not be a repository for factually incorrect propaganda. Crimea is recognized by the UN and internationally as Ukraine. The deliberate introduction of factual errors for purely political reasons by biased individuals is vandalism. Even the Russians do not claim Crimea as part of Russia, but as a separate Republic. Crimea is neither de facto nor de jure part of Russia. End of debate.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.70.99.252 (talk • contribs) 19:48, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- You clearly do not understand what de facto means. Either that or you do not understand the situation in Crimea. As explained in Political status of Crimea, Russia claims Crimea as a Russian republic, a federal sub-division of Russia. Russia and their allies claim that it is de jure Russian. Ukraine and their allies claim Crimea is de jure Ukrainian. But everyone agrees that it is de facto Russian. That is the only thing all sides agree on. Because this map uses de facto borders consistently, it is not factually incorrect. It simply displays an alternate representation - one where political borders are shown as de facto, not de jure. The only person being politically biased here is you. Because you are insisting on highlighting that Crimea is de jure Ukrainian but are ignoring other de jure borders (most significantly for this map, the status of Taiwan, which should be coloured with China if you were consistent in your view.) SSSB (talk) 20:20, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- You should stick to your field of expertise, which is evidently motor racing not politics, because you are clearly out of your depth with this cringeworthy & sophomoric apology for authoritarian ideology. 203.52.58.164 (talk) 21:23, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
- You clearly do not understand what de facto means. Either that or you do not understand the situation in Crimea. As explained in Political status of Crimea, Russia claims Crimea as a Russian republic, a federal sub-division of Russia. Russia and their allies claim that it is de jure Russian. Ukraine and their allies claim Crimea is de jure Ukrainian. But everyone agrees that it is de facto Russian. That is the only thing all sides agree on. Because this map uses de facto borders consistently, it is not factually incorrect. It simply displays an alternate representation - one where political borders are shown as de facto, not de jure. The only person being politically biased here is you. Because you are insisting on highlighting that Crimea is de jure Ukrainian but are ignoring other de jure borders (most significantly for this map, the status of Taiwan, which should be coloured with China if you were consistent in your view.) SSSB (talk) 20:20, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- Wikipedia should not be a repository for factually incorrect propaganda. Crimea is recognized by the UN and internationally as Ukraine. The deliberate introduction of factual errors for purely political reasons by biased individuals is vandalism. Even the Russians do not claim Crimea as part of Russia, but as a separate Republic. Crimea is neither de facto nor de jure part of Russia. End of debate.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.70.99.252 (talk • contribs) 19:48, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
-(Minus) vs –(EN DASH) Edit 29th February[edit]
When "Seasons competed" contains a range '–(EN DASH)' is used rather than '-(Minus)' as the separator. When the new season(2024) started new ranges were formed(I think only Oscar Piastri and Logan Sargeant). These have used the minus symbol. As there is very little visual difference between the two symbols I think it would cause less confusion if minus was used as this is readily available on the keyboard and, in my experience, what is generally used. 92.29.132.127 (talk) 09:58, 3 April 2024 (UTC)