Talk:Violin Concerto (Berg)

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Title[edit]

Would Berg's violin concerto be a more appropriate title for this article? -- Zoe

Possibly - it's something up for debate at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (pieces of music). Personally, I prefer putting the composer in brackets, because it is more consistent with disambiguation like Vertigo (movie), the possessive apostrophe seems rather clumsy somehow, and it makes it easier to link to the composer and the piece of music together: for example, writing in some article "in [[Berg's Violin Concerto]]..." is fine to get a link to the piece, but if you also want to link to the composer, you have to write "in [[Alban Berg]]'s [[Berg's Violin Concerto|Violin Concerto]]...", which is a pain. If you use the current form, though, you can use the pipe trick and write "in [[Alban Berg]]'s [[Violin Concerto (Berg)|]]..." (the extra pipe at the end of the second link causes this to be rendered as "in Alban Berg's Violin Concerto"), which is a good deal easier. So I believe the current title is best, but I'm prepared to be convinced otherwise. (I'll copy this to the aforementioned naming convention page, btw) --Camembert

the yuckness of "in [[Alban Berg]]'s [[Berg's Violin Concerto|Violin Concerto]]..." is a convincing argument! -- Tarquin 18:04 Dec 25, 2002 (UTC)

I guess since you put it that way ... :-) -- Zoe

Dates discrepancy[edit]

If Berg died in 1935, why does this page say he conducted the English premier in 1936?

My mistake: it was conducted by Webern, not Berg. I've fixed the article. Thanks for pointing it out. --Camembert

Sound Samples[edit]

What happened to the sound samples? since they are removed shouldn't that section also be removed then?
- Done. —ShaneCavanaugh 07:16, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"that the two idioms are..."[edit]

well, neither is an idiom, exactly. I think that what was written there may be a misinterpretation of some statements Schoenberg made about octave doublings in twelve-tone music that made their way into an essay that's been reprinted in Style and Idea. I'll go check. Schissel | Sound the Note! 23:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

'lament melody and its construction from the pitches of RI-5 and P-3'... Yeah, right...[edit]

I don't suppose anyone besides me cares enough to have noticed that the diagram *doesn't actually show 'P-3'*... Pfistermeister (talk) 16:21, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, you are soo caring and concerned...I can tell by your tone. Hyacinth (talk) 01:31, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to ask, but what is P-8? R, I, and RI I know, but I can't figure out how "P-8" is derived from the row... -- megA (talk) 16:34, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious[edit]

How so? Hyacinth (talk) 01:31, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Original research[edit]

Why and where does this article contain original research? How should it be cleaned up? Hyacinth (talk) 13:15, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Whether it's OR is debatable, but there are a number of statements without supporting references. The first sentence after the lede will do as an example: "The piece stemmed from a commission from the violinist Louis Krasner". That's fine to kick off an article, but a mature WP needs to find support for such statements. I've used the "More footnotes" template as that seems more appropriate than the OR template. GFHandel ♬ 18:54, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think the user GF Handel may be aiming at the wrong target. There are ample accounts of Krasner's relation with the work - he visited Berg at an early stage in the composition and played for him so that Berg could get an idea of his style and technique, and not only gave the premiere but retained exclusive performing rights for a period thereafter. He also made the first commercial recording. The Wikipedia article on Krasner himself also asserts he commissioned the piece, and offers no authority - I would suggest because since 1936, no-one has ever suggested that this was not the case. Without trusting some facts on the authority of Common Knowledge, encyclopaedias would be an unreadable and unpublishable mass of references to other works which GF Handel might find of more or less equally dubious authorityDelahays (talk) 15:32, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

However, there is a full, referenced account of the commissioning in Pople "Berg Violin Concerto" Cambridge 1991.Delahays (talk) 16:50, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No referent for Jarman hyperlink[edit]

The wikipedia page on Alban Berg does not include a heading for 'Douglas Jarman'; accordingly, the in-page-jump hyperlink in the line, "That was finally done in the 1990s by Professor Douglas Jarman, Principal Lecturer in Academic Studies at the Royal Northern College of Music, Manchester" links only to the Alban Berg page as a whole. This may seem like a good idea, but it comes-off as an error when the reader follows the link and, so to speak, ends up nowhere in particular. 76.64.48.166 (talk) 17:46, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]