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Significance[edit]

This article seems to gloss over the importance of Beccaria's contribution to the criminal justice system -- deterrence theory. This article needs significant work to reflect the fact that he basically came up with the concept upon which the entire Western criminal justice philosophy is based. /Blaxthos 17:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Suspicious quote[edit]

The quote inserted at 14:16, 20 April 2007 by Agbook looks suspicious to me. It doesn't seem very much in the style of the time, and smells of something concocted by the pro-gun crowd.drh 21:55, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Revision 19:16, 20 April 2007 User:Agbook:

Indeed, Thomas Jefferson in his "Commonplace Book," copied a passage from Beccaria related to the issue of gun control. The quote reads, "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."

Anonymous 1767 English translation of Cesare Beccaria, On Crimes and Punishments (Dei delitti e delle pene) (1764) Chapter 40:

A Principal source of errors and injustice, are false ideas of utility. ... THE laws of this nature, are those which forbid to wear arms, disarming those only who are not disposed to commit the crime which the laws mean to prevent. Can it be supposed, that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity, and the most important of the code, will respect the less considerable and arbitrary injunctions, the violation of which is so easy, and of so little comparative importance? Does not the execution of this law deprive the subject of that personal liberty, so dear to mankind and to the wise legislator; and does it not subject the innocent to all the disagreeable circumstances that should only fall on the guilty? It certainly makes the situation of the assaulted worse, and the assailants better, and rather encourages than prevents murder, as it requires less courage to attack armed than unarmed persons.

This is not the translation used in Jefferson's Commonplace book but the ideas are the same.--Naaman Brown (talk) 00:50, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

MORE[edit]

I NEED MORE INFO!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.37.141.109 (talk) 03:14, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discrepancies[edit]

There is a lot of discrepancies with the corresponding articles on German and Italian Wiki. Please, have a look at it. Thanks! --Sokoljan (talk) 19:06, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Il Pavone[edit]

I found several wrong references to a non-existent journal "Il Pavone." I changed them to correct references to Milanese Enlightenment journal Il Caffè ("The Coffeehouse"). 28 March 2011. (FB) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.79.221 (talk) 19:15, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On Crimes and Punishment[edit]

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. --Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishment" —Preceding unsigned comment added by AtomicStubbs (talk • contribs) 07:39, 1 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright violation?[edit]

Some passages in this article bear a resemblance to pp. 23-25 of John Hostetter's book "Cesare Beccaria. The Genius of On Crimes and Punishments" (Waterside: 2011) so high that I am compelled to assume they were copied from that book, only marginally re-formulated. Klaus Schneider, Germany --148.85.224.121 (talk) 01:13, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for pointing out any copyright problems. Could you be more specific which passages exactly? If there are any copyright violations it is best we can take care of them and remove them as quickly as possible, so we would really appreciate your help in this matter. Thanks. --Saddhiyama (talk) 01:20, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Cesare Beccaria/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

"With the Verri brothers, Beccaria traveled to Paris, where he was given a very warm reception by the philosophes. He retreated in horror, however, returning to his young wife Teresa and never venturing abroad again." He retreated in horror? Why? This needs to be filled out or taken out.

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Titles[edit]

Should Thomas Jefferson and others be always referred to as "founding fathers"? It is not a universal title, and its use would mostly be limited to the USA. More correctly, the names should be used alone (e.g., "Thomas Jefferson", not "founding father Thomas Jefferson"). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.169.101.194 (talk) 11:03, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]