Talk:Dana Rosemary Scallon

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I have heard that her favourite type of cake is strawberry cake but I can't find a citation anywhere. Can anyone send me a link? - A concerned Dananite

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I don't think she went to America in the eighties and didn't return until 1997 - her son was at my primary school a few years below me. I attended that school until 1993 and I clearly remeber going to her house in the late 80s/early 90s when a younger friend was attending a birthday party.

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I thought her name was Rosemary Brown. Is one of these her married surname? Deb 21:21 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)

Yes, she is married to Damien Scallon and has used his surname rather than her maiden name since their marriage in the 1970s. During the 1997 presidential election, to ensure people recognised her, she got onto the ballot paper as Dana Rosemary Scallon JTD 21:44 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)

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I have problem with the following line:

Most political experts predict that she will lose her European Parliament seat when in the next European election the number of Irish seats is reduced from 15 to 13.

Whoever wrote this doesn't understand what a political comeback is. STV aside, there is always A chance that Dana could make a comeback and be reelected as an MEP in 2004. Whoever wrote this doesn't remember the comeback of Bill Clinton in 1996. When the GOP won Congress in 1994, the "political experts" predicted that Clinton would lose in '96. As history shows, Clinton won a strong victory in 1996 by defeating Bob Dole by eight points in 1996.

Bottom line: This line is POV. It is removed.

Actually it isn't and the above writer is completely missing the point:

1. Clinton was from a mainstream political party with a party organisation behind him to deliver votes. Dana is an independent without party affiliations or an organisation with a haphazard coterie of backers.

2. Most of her support base relied on pro-life voters. She has since alienated much of them by siding with extreme pro-life elements in a referendum on abortion. In the referendum on abortion mainstream anti-abortion groups supported what they regarded as a weak anti-abortion amendment but one which not merely was the best they could get but the last they were ever likely to get. A few fanatics on the far right fringe rejected it as too weak and promised they would get a better one. A combination of extreme pro-life, pro-choice and pro-abortion groups separately but on the one side united to defeat the mainstream pro-life group. Public opinion is overwhelmingly against any more votes on the issue and she personally is blamed by mainstream pro-lifers for the defeat of what they believe was the last ever chance to strength the law from a pro-life perspective. (A fact proven to be correct by a blanket refusal of any politician to call for another vote, while the third largest national party is now supporting the introduction of abortion) She support base has collapsed, as shown in her performance when she ran for Dáil Éireann in the 2002 general election, where she humiliatingly lost her deposit. Though very high profile as an MEP and a former presidential candidate, and predicted to be in the running for the last seat in the constituency, he bombed spectacularly badly, limping in with a tiny vote that had no impact on the outcome and made her election in that election an impossibility.

3. In 1999 she entered the race as a political newcomer with few negative traits, having got good exposure in the 1997 presidential election. In 2004 she will go into the race as a controversial associate for far right pro-life organisations. So the novelty factor that was her appeal in 1999 won't exist in 2004. In 1999 she was able to pick up over 72,000 votes in a large euro-constituency. In 2002 in a far smaller general election constituency, where 1999 she had picked up tens of thousands that went to her final euro vote tally, she got a miserable 1600, so back she humiliatingly lost her deposit, the ultimate political humiliation that for a once successful electoral candidate usually spells the deathknell of their electoral career.

3. With the reduction in seat numbers from 15 to 13 (and 12 the next election after that), the boundaries in all the Euro-constituencies are expected to be changed, with Meath moving from Leinster to Dublin, her strongholds of Monaghan and possibly Cavan moving to Leinster, and Clare, where she has no organisation but where her biggest challengers for the third seat, Fianna Fáil have a very large one, moving to Connacht-Ulster. (Fianna Fáil often wins of out of four seats in that Dáil constituency. It was a Fianna Fáil seat she took in Connacht-Ulster. For her to win again, she needs

(a) Fianna Fáil to do exceptionally badly (a possibility given the current Irish public conviction that they lied to win he last general election, their popularity now plummeting as a result, but the inclusion of Clare if it comes about should strengthen its Connacht-Ulster challenge);

(b) Fine Gael to do badly (a possibility given the electoral drubbing it got in the last general election, as the fact that its longterm MEP Joe McCartain is retiring, though they may have a strong replacement);

(c) Sinn Féin not to enter the race and if they do not to do well. (They will and probably will, possibly making them a challenger for the third seat);

(d) No strong alternative independent to arrive on the scene. (Her rival in 1999, Marian Harkan, is now a TD and unlike Dana has broadened not narrowed her appeal. If she runs, it probably means curtains for Dana.).

All four are unlikely to happen but without all four, Dana is in deep electoral trouble. In 1999, as a good speaker who has impressed in the presidential election, she had a strong cross party appeal that helped earn her crucial lower preferences. In 2004, her achievements in the presidential election have been overshadowed by the widespread belief that she has marginalised herself since, supporting the losing side in the abortion poll and associating with groups that most supporters of most parties would not want to associate with. So her transfer appeal has been severely limited, in contrast to some like Harkan who has broadened not narrowed her appeal since 1999.

In the circumstances to compare Clinton or other comback kids, with a professional organisation and vast resources, to a situation of an independent candidate, alienated from most of her original supporters, in a competitive constituency with different boundaries, thanks to a reduction in the number of seats, and in which her declining electoral appeal is also evidenced by her disastrous electoral bid in 2002, is misleading. The fact that her own remaining supporters are already questioning whether she should even run again shows the status of her appeal and the fact that her re-election is unlikely. In view of that I am re-inserting the line, which is simply an accurate summary of the consensus across all parties and none and including her own few remaining sypprters. FearÉIREANN 21:56, 29 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Two more issues:

The EP site has a nice photo of Dana here:

http://wwwdb.europarl.eu.int/ep5/owa/whos_mep.data?ipid=0&ilg=EN&iucd=4389&ipolgrp=PPE-DE&ictry=IE&itempl=&ireturn=&imode=

I think it would be good to add it if C/R issues are worked out. I am hoping to add the results of her election in '99 if I can find them.

hoshie

Requested move

• Dana (singer) → Dana Rosemary Scallon. This article was unilaterally moved by a user. Dana was once just a a singer. However for over a decade she has been primarily a politician who was an MEP and ran for the presidency of Ireland. Calling her just a singer is no longer accurate. Many people who know of her today aren't aware of his old musical career and only know her as a politician. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 18:37, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

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• Move to Dana Rosemary Scallon instead. If she is better known as a politician, it doesn't make sense to list her under her former stage name. -- Naive cynic 19:27, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
• Support alternative of 'cynic, with similar reasoning. This is the first bold title in the article, and is how she's generally referred to in reportage, at least on a "first reference". Alai 06:31, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I've renamed the proposed rename to that. That is a good option. It is her politician's name and includes her musical career name. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 07:06, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

• Support alternative. The redirect after the move will take care of her stage name. Philip Baird Shearer 19:30, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

This article has been renamed after the result of a move request. Dragons flight 00:42, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Citizenship

Firstly 'have removed the red link to granted citizenship in the 90s. User:Barliner^chat

Secondly have removed reference to her being a US citizen. She may well be, but this needs a source citing, especially as it has also been said that she was not a dual citizen, and if she was not an Irish Citizen she could not have been nominated as a candidate for President of Ireland in 1997 and 2004. The minutes of Kerry County Council (www.kerrycoco.ie/minutedocs/Minutes%20of%20September%202004%20meeting.rtf) clearly refer to her as a "loyal citizen" who was nominated in 1997 and 2006. I believe further references to her citizenship need citations in support, User:Barliner^chat

Don't believe she can be described as a British catholic singer songwriter and politician. In this context are least "Irish" can be seen as describing her Irish catholicism, very different from British Catholicism, her songs are definitely Irish and her political career definitely Irish.

User:Barliner^chat 19 July 2007

If she was born in London, and her parents were from Londonderry (OFFICIAL NAME: even the council weren't allowed to change the local signs) then that makes her BRITISH and not IRISH, since Londonderry is in Northern Ireland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.171.235.115 (talk) 10:37, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Dispute banner, citizenship etc

1)I tried an inline dispute tag, but that was simply removed with a comment about SSNs. These are available to those applying for an immigrant visa so not necessarily proof of citizenship. User:Barliner^chat 11:18, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Barliner. Using Google, I can't find any mention of her being a US citizen. Iwillfollowyou 16:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Neither have I, but HM Revenue and Customs describes the effects of double taxation agreement between Britain and the US [1] For some reason they chose the to call one of their fictional characters Dana User:Barliner ^chat 17:26, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

2)Dana's website says she was nominated for the Presidency while still in the US. Is that correct? User:Barliner^chat 11:18, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd say it's correct because she'd want to know she had been successfully nominated before moving the family back to Ireland. Iwillfollowyou 16:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

3) the DS Music site also says she was born in Derry Is that correct? User:Barliner^chat 11:18, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

According to her autobiography, she was born in Frederica St; Islington, London. There are over 4 pages describing her 5 years spent there. It also mentions this in the blurb of her 1990 compilation album. Her website stating she was born in Derry is probably due to her wanting a quiet life—if it mentioned she was born in London it would confuse everyone—like it's doing here! Iwillfollowyou 19:19, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

4) She lives in Ireland, and presumably has down so since 1999 (not sure about 2004-2006). How will that affect any naturalisation? Most countries object to naturalised citizens abandoning their new homeland, loss of US citizenship would not make her stateless so no problem there, and she did return to Ireland at er employer's job needs, she came back and then chose to get a job as an elected public servant User:Barliner^chat 11:18, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

If she is a US citizen while now living in Ireland, it shouldn't matter too much because she's always visiting the place. Less queuing on entry as well I suppose. Iwillfollowyou 16:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Citzenship

1 - My understanding is she was born in the UK but from an Irish father and mother from British occupied country (Northern Ireland). From what I read she would take after her mothers heritage and is actuall an Irish citizen (Irish passport and all) and recognized as a UK citizen granting her dual status with both of those countries. Seems pretty common from what I have read.

2 - She applied and received her US Citzenship status in the early to mid 90's. Seems pretty common that people, especially in politic, carry two passports and maintain dual citzenship status. Especially if their parents are from Ireland.

I think that it should be noted that she was born in London but retained her Irish identity and was honored to receive her US citzenship status in the early 90's and is one of the many that enjoys a dual citzenship status.

Reply to 69.66.245.73 's pointsI have no problem about born in the UK. In the 1950s birth would make her a British subject. Her parents/grandparents birth in Ireland pre-partition would have enabled her to claim Irish citizenship, but where is the evidence for US citizenship? No one seems to be able to cite any evidence. Surely her political opponents would have used info like that.

Please stay NPOV.

Not sure how you can get "evidence" of citizenship. We are friends with the family I and I know she applied and received he US Citizenship status before returning to Ireleland for the presidential campaign.

If she didn't claim that when she ran or didn't tell people I do not know why she wouldn't. The fact is she is a US Citizen and it should be in this "life" story of Dana as it is a important fact.

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I've removed a few bits of text from this entry. Please do not reinsert them without finding a reliable source for the information. Thank you. Phil Sandifer 21:54, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Heartbeat Records and Susan Stein

If you visit the US Library of Congress and search out "The Rosary", "The Perfect Gift", "The Luminouse Mysteries", "The Healing Rosary", "Forever Christmas", "Humble Myself", and others of Dana's original recordings Heartbeat is listed as the Copyright holder and owner of these titles.

If you pick up any of these CD's some of which date back to release dates as late as 1989, Susan Stein is listed as the manager and point of contact on all these original recordings in the actual artwork included with the CD and Cassettes.

It was based on the formation of Heartbeat Records that Dana's Catholic recording career catapulted in US and history shows when searched out via web and past articles that Heartbeat backed 100% of all appearances between 1990 and 2005 and that Susan Stein was the manager and agent for this time period. During that time nearly 30 release between Cass, CD, and Videos were relased by Heartbeat with Dana as the artist.

In fact when you search out Damien Scallon now under Google you will see that Heart Beat has filed a law suit against Dana, Damien, and DS Music productions for violating Heart Beats copyrights which are listed with the US Library of Congress.

I am confused as to why Phil S. as well as other insist on removing factual history on Heart Beat, Susan Stein, and their copyright ownership which is easily verified by doing some simple research on the web.

Because the citations need to be in the article. The issue here is not (necessarily) our policy on verifiability, but rather our policy that you have to cite your sources. It's not enough to say "This can be verified." The citation needs to be included in the article, especially for a biography of a living person like this one. I have no idea who Dana Scallon's manager was in the 90s. I have no idea who holds the copyright on her songs. But unsourced material like this cannot be allowed to stand in the article. Phil Sandifer 16:40, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

22:46, 9 August 2007 Their are contracts dating back to the late 90's that clearly show Susan Stein in the managerial position for Dana. How do I cite this? Do I scan copies and sent them to you? You can also pick up any of the CD's and Susan is listed in the cover artwork as contact person for bookings and contacting Dana. That has been that way since the first release done under Heartbeat up and until 2004.

You can visitUS Copyright Officeand search out Heartbeat Records and / or Dana and see clearly that Heartbeat is the copyright holder for many most of the Catholic titles released between 1989 and 2004. Some of the registered #'s are as follows:

1 - SR-367-695: Say yes. CLNA: (p) on production, sound recording, performance; acHeart Beat Records (employer for hire) 2 - SR-367-706: Mother of Mercy, a rosary of healing. CLNA: (p) on production, recording, performance; acHeart Beat Records 3 - SR-368-294: The rosary / aDana & aKevin Scallon CLNA: (p) on production, sound recording, performance; acHeart Beat Records (employer for hire) 4 - SR-368-339: The perfect gift. CLNA: (p) on production, sound recording, performance; acHeart Beat Records (employer for hire) 5 - SR-369-776: The stations of the cross. CLNA: (p) on production, sound recording, & performance; acHeart Beat Records

These are just a few of the ones I found using the information provided by previous posters. Why is this not enough for you Phil? You could have done the same research as I did, as could anyone that came to the this site.

You can also go to Heartbeat VS. DS Music, Dana, and Damien Scallon and clearly see that Heartbeat has filed a suit against DS Music, Dana, and Damien, Scallon for violating their copyrights.

If this is not enough information for you then please tell me what more you need to satisfy your request? I am highly suspicious as to why you came along just recently and decided to pull mention of Heartbeat and Susan Stein out of this entire article and question your motives and relations to Dana and Damien. Who do I need to contact to issue a official complaint agains you? This site is not for personal renditions of what you or Dana want to believe the truth is, it is a site of facts based on evidence you can verify not simply what you say it is or wish it to be.

Now please reinstate the two items you deleted as they belong in this document and while you are at it you should add to the last section that she has been sued for violating copyrights as this is evidince you can cite based on the information I have provided.

Wait, the copyright issue is being litigated? Then we definitely should not be proclaiming that one side or the other has the copyright - it's a contested issue, and we should state as much. As for the managerial issue, scanning in the documents would brush up against and possibly violate our policy on original research. Which ties in with another concern I'm having here - the article seems to be being heavily edited by two sides of a legal dispute. This falls afoul of our policy on conflicts of interest. In any case - is there a published source that can be cited, whether current or historical, that uses the word "manager" to describe Susan Stein's relationship with Ms. Scallon? Phil Sandifer 05:09, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

After reading the above discussion, I decided to do a little simple research and have discovered two newspaper articles archived online which confirm that Dana's husband Damien has been her manager for her entire Catholic music career. The first article is from the BBC News BBC Article on Dana Rosemary Scallon from 1997 which states that Damien Scallon became Dana's full-time manager after their marriage in 1979. The article was written in 1997, a time at which another Wiki user claims Dana was still under the management of her sister, Susan Stein. The second article is from The Huddersfield Daily Examiner in the UK Huddersfield Examiner Article on Dana Rosemary Scallon from 2006 , which states that Dana and her "manager/husband Damien" moved to the United States in the 80s. Neither of the articles makes any mention of Susan Stein or Heartbeat Records, nor of any other manager besides her husband Damien Scallon.

Additionally, I visited the US Copyright Office, as recommended by the user PhillipStein, but he seems to be mistaken on the following point: there is no work of Dana's registered that was published prior to 1991, even though PhillipStein claims that they, Heartbeat Records, own Dana's works as far back as 1989.

Oddly enough, it appears that Heartbeat Records did not register copyrights on any of these works that they claim until April 2005 see previous Heartbeat Records copyright link. (Bpatterson291 05:18, 10 August 2007 (UTC))

Firstly to answer Phil S. Heart Beat is listed at the US Copyright Office as the owner. It is Heart Beat that has filed suit agains DS Music Productions in order to protect these registered copyrights that are in the name of Heart Beat Records. Heart Beat is the one that is suing to protect what it owns.

Secondly to answer BPatterseron that article states that Damien "later" became her manager and does not mention time frames. In fact you article was puclished in 1997 and does not refer to him as the current manage. Your second reference is for 2006 which is 2 years past the date of 2004 I reference and well into a 2 year family dispute. Bottom line is that all recorded material dating between 1989 and 2004 list Susan stein as manager and contact for bookings and all things related to Dana.

Finally in regards to BPAtterson (p)and(c)with release dates are stamped on all CD's and artwork. These original release dates are also referenced on the on the registered copyright material US Copyright Office and were on the samples that they received. Further more if your link you reference worked you will see under the US Copyright Officethat works were registered in 2005 with release dates one of which is as late as 1991. Below is the detailed report on one example "The Rosary" HBC5:

Registration Number: SR-368-294 Title: The rosary / aDana & aKevin Scallon Imprint: Heart Beat Records HBC 5, c1991. Description: Sound cassette. Claimant: (p) on production, sound recording, performance; acHeart Beat Records (employer for hire) Created: 1991 Published: 1May91

It looks like both of these issues are very contested. Given that the copyright claim was in a description of an external link and is the subject of litigation, it seems like there's more reason for it to go than to be there. And given that nobody has yet linked to a reliable source that actually makes a statement about managers, it looks to me like that just shouldn't be in the article one way or another. That said, what I find most disturbing here is the observation that there has been a multi-year family dispute here. It is clear that the editors of this page are involved in that dispute, and that this page has become little more than a battleground for the suit. That is, simply put, inappropriate. Both of you have obvious conflicts of interest, and should step back from the article. Our goal is a neutral presentation of verifiable facts that explains all sides of a debate, giving each side's claims, the other side's rebuttals of those claims, etc. All sourced to reliable sources that give a clear account of what's going on. We are not a battleground, and I would ask you both to stop treating us like one. Phil Sandifer 13:58, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

By the above statement(I have no idea who Dana Scallon's manager was in the 90s. I have no idea who holds the copyright on her songs.)by Phil Sandifer leads one to believe that only info from him is verifiable

But by his above statement we can see he clearly does not understand verifiability. By removing statements that are creditable (US Library of Congress- not a good source?) it then leaves the rest of the article in question

Ex. The statements listed below
Born on 30 August 1951...True or false no source to back it up-no one has seen the birth certificate - according to Phil S. we should see this
In February 1969, Dana was invited to take part in the Irish National Song Contest with the song "Look Around" by Michael Reade...True or false no source to back it up-link(1969) does not back up this statement

where she lived for five years until her family moved back to Derry, Northern Ireland, from where they had moved six years earlier to find work.
Hers was a musical family—Dad played the trumpet and Mum the piano, and they encouraged their three sons and three daughters to learn how to play an instrument, to sing and dance.
Young Rosemary Brown was a quick learner; she won her first talent contest as a six-year-old.
Years later she was introduced to her future manager, Tony Johnston, after winning another contest in...True or false no source to back it up - if you cite her autobiograpy this by WP:V does not meeet the criteria

By now she was known as Dana, a name chosen by her school friends and thought more suitable for the world of pop....True or false no source to back it up
It went on to become a million-seller...True or false no source to back it up
Dana's parents had a strong sense of religious duty and she and her siblings were taught the importance of daily prayer and going to Mass on Sundays.
Despite a few doubts along the way, she never lost her faith.
In 1979, she and Damien were inspired to write a Catholic song, "Totus Tuus", named after the motto of Pope John Paul II, who came to Ireland that year.
It entered the Irish singles chart on 16 December and stayed there for nine weeks, peaking at number one....True or false no source to back it up
There it played to packed houses and the original seven-week run was extended to twelve....True or false no source to back it up
where Damien was now working as the manager for retreats at the traditional Catholic broadcasting network, EWTN.....True or false no source to back it up
Dana appeared at conferences and public gatherings across the States......True or false no source to back it up
Although the amendment was supported by the mainstream political parties and the Roman Catholic Bishops in Ireland......True or false no source to back it up
In what was seen as a backlash against her stance in the previous abortion referendum......True or false no source to back it up
Since leaving politics, Dana has spoken at many colleges and universities in Ireland and America......True or false no source to back it up

I think you are beginning to get the point - to delete statements because you- Phil S - feel it is incorrect makes this whole article nonsense and bias- not good admin qualities.. If US Library of Congress can not be used as a source then you had better delete this whole page because the other sources cited are in question also.

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Article problems

This article seems to be written like a press release with a strong bias towards Dana (particularly in her music career). It's also written in a very non-factual way with statements such as: "The 80s ended as they had begun – with Dana pregnant" - apart from the fact that this is untrue (if she had a baby in January 1981 and another in August 1989, she was pregnant neither at the start or the end of the 1980s), it's sounds like it's straight out of a novel. The other big problem here is the reference section. Virtually every single one is a "Youtube" clip. Not allowed - nor particularly useful anyway. Certainly things like Chart positions, record releases and Eurovision-related appearances are easily verifiable.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 12:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Tuzapicabit and thanks for your input. The article's strong bias towards Dana is because it's about Dana, and there is no way I'm going to slag her off, but I will try and make it read more like a dry old encyclopedia. Sadly, Dana is not considered "cool", so information on her is hard to find, hence the lack of references. I mostly use her books, so perhaps I should reference each sentence, but that would be tedious. I want it to read like a novel, a brief story of her life so far, not just a list of dates. And the 80s did begin and end with her with being pregnant: the 80s began in, let me think...1980! As for when they ended, well, everyone knows that, it was...

Youtube not allowed? Why? It's the perfect accompaniment. Just like Wikipedia, a great idea, daft not to use it. (I did try to link youtube to External links, but couldn't.) Iwillfollowyou, 9/10/8 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iwillfollowyou (talk • contribs) 17:21, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Forgot about this, but nobody's asking you to slag Dana off, just take out the biased tone and report the facts. As for her pregnancies - the 1980s started on 1 January 1980 - if she was indeed pregnant then, then her baby was four months overdue! And how was she pregnant in December 1989? (Not to mention that referring to the decade as the 80s is inaccurate as well! (see 80s))--Tuzapicabit (talk) 15:40, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Clearly biased and poorly written

This article needs a fresh start, preferably written by people who aren't self-proclaimed fans. If people want to read her biography they can go and buy it somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.143.239 (talk) 14:26, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Very biased and not factual

I have read this bio and it is clearly very biased and written from by either a fan, fanatic, or Dana's family. There are many inconsistencies between what is here and what is available on line from several sites like Dana's own. If you research any of the sites that have published information on her then you quickly get a snapshop of the fact someone close to Dana or a FAN is keeping a close watch over this page.

I didn't think this was what Wilipedia was about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.23.94.89 (talk) 00:42, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Removed false information

Ireland does not compete on an all-Ireland basis at Eurovision, thus I have once again removed the claim that Dana represented a united Ireland. While that might have been her personal aspiration or belief, it is of no relevance since she did not represent an all-Ireland entry. In addition the information was improperly cited, and birthplaces do not generally go in the lead. O Fenian (talk) 09:23, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Cleanup

Trawling through the overly-detailed article, I have attempted a major cleanup and pruning back to cover the main points of her career. Hopefully it's better and the article tone more neutral. It could probably use more work and it certainly still needs citations.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 13:42, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

General semi-protection for candidates in the upcoming presidential election

I've proposed that all articles on candidates on the upcoming presidential election be semi protected until the 28th of October. This is owing to all of these articles coming under increasing pressure from vandals and unregistered/newly-registered editors with obvious axes to grind.

I've opened a general discussion on this at at WikiProject Ireland. --RA (talk) 17:52, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Nationality

Since it is publicly admitted by Dana now, the 1st line of her Wikipedia article should read that she is a dual Irish and American singer and former MEP - not Irish - she isn't only Irish anymore.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Saipan101 (talk • contribs) 13:46, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes but Irish-American is not correct here either .Murry1975 (talk) 11:03, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Agree Irish-American is not correct. Mo ainm~Talk 20:45, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Since she was born in London, England and grew in Derry she should be tri-national. Irish-British-American. That looks a bit awkard, maybe we should just say Dana is International! Snappy (talk) 20:29, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

I find it amusing a few sections up someone challenged or tried to insert the fact she was indeed a U.S. citizen but Phil S. made it a point to let his own views cloud judgement. This entire article needs to be reviewed for accuracy as "Iwillfollow" is a personal friend of the Scallons and should not be the one who contributes the most to this page. Biased information and trying to conceal facts like citizenship, Dana's brother being accused of child abuse etc is not what Wikipedia is about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.218.105.2 (talk) 18:54, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Photo

I was amazed to find no photo for her in the article. Surely somebody has one?

Please at least add a photo of her to wp:COMMONS, so that any of us can then copy it into here.

Trafford09 (talk) 06:00, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

A word of caution. Beware of potential copyvios. RashersTierney (talk) 10:01, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

She's better known as Dana, not Scallon

If Lulu, Cliff Richard, Lady Gaga, David Bowie, Marc Bolan, Dean Martin, etc; can be referred to by their stage name, then why not Dana?

She's been known by this name since 1997. She's a politician now, so Dana (singer) wouldn't cover her adequately.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 21:56, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Agree about her title being Dana Rosemary Scallon, but to have the name Scallon used throughout the article looks wrong - no one called Scallon won Eurovision and had hit records. Her 40 year music career as Dana far outweighs her 5 year stint as an MEP called Dana Rosemary Scallon, which ended 10 years ago in 2004.

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"All Kinds of Everything" release date

At the top of the "1970s – Eurovision victory and pop career" section. Should it be clarified that Dana's recording was released a week before she appeared in the contest, and was No. 1 during the contest? This seems important but it isn't clear in the text.Also, this article is much too long. Fishlandia (talk) 19:24, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

"The streets were lined with well-wishers when the Eurovision winner arrived home. The Troubles had not long started and her achievement gave the locals something to cheer about" - looking for cite-able material for this important information, at Google Books I found The Derry Anthology, which has only snippet views but appears to contain an excerpt from Dana's autobiography on her homecoming. An old edition of this page might be quoting her autobio in a description to the effect of, People lined the streets cheering for 15 miles, she was carried on people's shoulders "like a carcass", She fell asleep to the sound of people outside her house singing the song. "All Kinds of Everything" includes an explanation of how politics affected the Irish contest but is also uncited. Fishlandia (talk) 20:43, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

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Year of birth

Can we clarify her year of birth? It can't be that obscure. PatGallacher (talk) 16:36, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Most of the article, including mention of her winning Eurovision at 18, seem consistent with the 1951 date. PatGallacher (talk) 16:56, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

The major sources that mention it say 1951 so it should be accurate. 23impartial (talk) 18:02, 31 October 2023 (UTC)