Talk:History of The Beatles

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Splitting the article[edit]

The discussion about merging this article into The Beatles article has mutated into a discussion involving splitting this article into several articles involving the different stages into the history of The Beatles. The formation stage is already in place as the article about The Quarrymen which was the band John Lennon founded which evolved into The Beatles. Steelbeard1 (talk) 03:29, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - I strongly support splitting History of The Beatles but not this way. Please see Talk:The_Beatles#Merger_proposal, where new information was recently added to give better visibility, showing that there is much straight duplication of text between History of The Beatles and The Beatles. I believe the two articles should first be merged, and certain detail then moved out to new sub-articles. This will temporarily increase the article size of The Beatles, but not by as much as might be imagined, and having it all in one place will allow a more balanced view of which parts of The Beatles should be split out to sub-articles (an exercise that's already needed due to its growing size). Please consider the merger proposal further in the light of the new information recently added there. It now gives a complete section list, which gives clear visibility of the current relationship between the two articles and of the sections affected by the merger, and gives a few possible examples of new sub-articles. PL290 (talk) 05:12, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - The above opponent is trying to have it both ways. If he supports merging the articles The Beatles and History of The Beatles, how would he deal with the excessive length of The Beatles article which inspired the creation of the separate History of The Beatles article in the first place? BTW, the disambig page is not needed. Is there a split box with no mention of a disambig page? Steelbeard1 (talk) 10:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Work in Progress.... Cutting to the heart of the matter, I believe that the History of The Beatles will be made redundant as soon as there are enough sub-pages that link to The Beatles' article headers. Without wishing to infuriate anyone, or cut them off at the pass, I have already started The Beatles in Hamburg, which will be a very detailed account of their time there (Lennon and the nuns will also be included). At the moment it is rough, as I only started it today, but I believe it will surpass the History of The Beatles in detailed information, and it will/should stand as a complete article by itself. There is a ton of info that is not in it yet, but there will be…
All there is to do is to use the same process for the other headers, and we will not only have the main Beatles’ article, but a wealth of info in the linked articles.--andreasegde (talk) 19:20, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Cavern Club and Brian Epstein": This is definitely an article.
  • "Record contract and Beatlemania": This could be as long as the main article, as it would deal with their emergence.
  • "American releases" (and English/European). Not just a list, but with details.

There's a lot to do...--andreasegde (talk) 19:58, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New article titles may be an issue with the above examples. The Beatles need to be mentioned in all subsequent article titles. An example for the next one could be "History of The Beatles--Cavern Club and Brian Epstein". Steelbeard1 (talk) 22:32, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hold the horses! I have just read this about this article, above: "This article has not yet received a rating on the project's quality scale. This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale."--andreasegde (talk) 20:00, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Work in progress—response - The discussion at Talk:The_Beatles on the competing merger/split proposals has got rather bogged down. I know from comments on user talk pages that the split proposal was intended to be harmonious with the merger proposal and I respect the good intention behind that. There is I think underlying consensus for what both proposals are trying to achieve, namely the moving of Beatle detail from both The Beatles and History of The Beatles to some new articles and the retiring of History of The Beatles. At the end of the day it's not a huge deal how it's done. I would like to think that in the light of the points since made, those who indicated opposition to the merger will now perceive benefits and can now revise their response to one of support. If not, however, we must all fully respect that. If that is indeed the case we may need to abandon the merger/split proposals and continue the ad hoc moves already started towards that goal. If so, we should perhaps at least ensure that as each new article is created, the corresponding duplicate material is removed from both The Beatles and History of The Beatles, or else there will potentially be a need for subsequent edits of this material to be kept up to date in all three articles. PL290 (talk) 08:44, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:History of The Beatles/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

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* There is no official "References" section, and few, if any, in-line references, but the article is very well-rounded. It covers George's entire life: early life, life with the Beatles, and life by decades after that. It has a few pictures, mostly of him, but a few more wouldn't hurt. (Maybe some on the left side of the page?)--Gordon (2 April 2006)
  • I'm gonna stick my neck on the line and say this article is crap. It's an essay not an article, it has no photos, it repeats a lot from other articles, and it's been neglected. Our big project - and it's gonna be a task and a half - is to look at this and similar forkish articles and merge them back into the main article or (because of probable size issues) re-fork from The Beatles, seriously trimming the content in The Beatles to avoid this pointless overlap.

I'm certainly not proposing an AFD-style deletion of the article, but whether The Beatles' history section gets forked for a second time to here (with any good bits from History of The Beatles retained) or whether History of The Beatles gets replaced with a redirect must be up for discussion (see Wikipedia:WikiProject_The_Beatles/Article_Classification#The_big_ones). Note: Article was nominated for deletion in 2004 and the same issues remain. The difference is we're now here and we're gonna do something about it! :-) --Steve (5 April 2006)

The following comments came from the merged article "The Beatles Ltd."

Last edited at 05:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 18:01, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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