Talk:Outward Bound

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Untitled[edit]

210.21.221.178 03:19, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)Ed Nilges: added detail based on three OB classes Is there any info here on the global branches of OB? --LeoTheLion 03:18, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Images[edit]

A picture of the "Blue Peter" flag, could be added. Jtneill - Talk 04:07, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please Disambiguate[edit]

Thanks.100110100 07:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV?[edit]

This article, while not gushingly positive, contains nothing about the negative points and controversy surrounding OB: deaths, advisability of crash-training children for difficult wilderness pursuits, environmental impact, qualifications of the instructors.... Will do some digging for solid, substantiated facts, but help appreciated. --Jnik 13:31, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. This recent article (http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/news/outward-bound.html) may be citable. WhiteCat 08:51, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. This reads like sales copy. Certainly these kinds of programs have upsides, but there are a lot of serious problems which can result from the overall business model, staffing, and philosophy. Briefly looking over the past edits, it does not appear that there was previously a discussion of controversy. Wxidea—Preceding undated comment added by Wxidea (talk • contribs) 00:53, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Outward Bound Has successfully served thousands of students. The Elissa Santry incident was very tragic but it is also one isolated incident. Please dont form an opinion based on one piece of news. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.114.228.148 (talk) 21:58, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps to present the most accurate information you should aquire a copy of the Outward Bound organizations official statement on the Santry incident AND use the editorial from National Geographic. "Outward Bound" rearranged their buisness unit in 2005 resulting in a merger of most of their schools/units across the US. Since its inception as a sailing program in Wales, Outward Bound schools were able to be started anywhere in the world by qualified individuals. The premise remained the same; to follow the guidelines of Kurt Hahn's educational philosophy. Outward Bound is not a Wilderness Therapy program and participants are carefully screened on for appropriateness and physical health. Every Outward Bound staff that works for the merged entity of Outward Bound Wilderness recieves the Student Management Skills Training. This training informs instructors on building rapport, presenting curriculum, contracting to decrease negative behaviors, and increases the skills of every instructor to make the course a positive one for every student. 69.205.167.179 (talk) 13:41, 20 November 2007 (UTC) Lizard[reply]

TV Series?[edit]

There is a TV series called OB, they do the same stuff as described here. Obviously they are the same thing. But there is no info on this TV series. Nardulli22 07:57, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled[edit]

I have worked for outward bound in a lot of differnent contexts for a while (off and on for 8 years) would love to answer any questions about the goods and bads. maybe thats more helpful than speculation or journalism. Ali —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.249.106 (talk) 00:57, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Diversity training[edit]

Removed the paragraph about diversity training - doesn't follow NPOV —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.217.32.52 (talk) 22:15, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The question is not about NPOV, in my view it's related to lack of sourcing. If the paragraph was sourced and accurate then it would be ok, regardless of POV and goals of said "diversity training".--TGC55 (talk) 15:40, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Outward Bound in the USA is eager to hide from the public the facts about the "Diversity Training" it requires for its instructional staff. This training states that "All white, heterosexual, Christian, males are the opressors of everyone else." Outward Bound has been hijacked by angry homosexuals and other minorities who have a victim mentality. This is not the empowerment envisioned by founder Kurt Hahn but simply an attempt by weak minded individuals to disempower other people whom they see as thier opressors.

Outward Bound has a policy of allowing homosexual instructors to "come out" to thier students on course. The homosexuals at Outward Bound have an agenda to empower your son or daughter to act on any homosexual feelings they may have had. The Elitests at Outward Bound are also anti Christian and would not respect a parents upbringing of thier child in a Christian home. Outward Bound refuses to denounce this type of behavior or thier brand of "Diversity Training" which can rightly be seen as political indoctrination of the worst kind.

Call thier office and ask them directly about "Diversity Training" at Outward Bound. Get the facts and force these people to abandon this type of victim mentality and hatred of imagined or percieved "oppressors" or force them to state it publicly in thier literature or website.

This will be deleated to hide these facts from the public.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.120.13.154 (talk) 18:00, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Outward Bound Stories[edit]

I am looking for stories from people who took an Outward Bound course, or have been Outward Bound instructors. I want to hear about how Outward Bound impacted your life, and the lessons you took with you from the field. Maybe you have never taken a course, but have crossed paths with an OB instructor or student, and that changed your life. I want to hear your stories! Kaki Flynn kakiflynn at hotmail.com—Preceding unsigned comment added by Briaboru (talk • contribs) 18:03, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dialogue about Diversity[edit]

In the United States, Outward Bound schools have employed "diversity trainings" for their staff in order to prepare instructors to address the various issues that may arise on course due to a diverse group of participants. Diversity trainings are intended to provide the arena where staff can be challenged in the same ways that they challenge participants to step out of their comfort zone.

Outward Bound has always gone where there is the greatest need in the community, from working with veterans returning from wars, to working with those battling life illnesses or dealing with addiction, to working with youth in need.^{[citation needed]} Breaking down barriers between people by creating a community of trust and understanding is some of the most important work we can do. "Education must enable young people to effect what they have recognized to be right, despite hardships, despite dangers, despite inner skepticism, despite boredom, and despite mockery from the world. . ." - Kurt Hahn

Discussion of diversity, privilege and individual identity can be emotionally charged as seen in the false claims written in the "Diversity Training" section. There are many wonderful diversity resources used by Outward Bound and available online. One example: http://www.diversitycouncil.org/ Engaging in honest dialogue about diversity issues can be a very effective way to break down barriers and promote understanding. Rather than writing accusations, consider creating a discussion page to promote understanding of different viewpoints and identify best practices in teaching young people to respect one another from a multicultural perspective. 96.237.3.83 (talk) 20:51, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The History Section[edit]

I find that history section is very lacking in details about the U.S. program. I think the history should have two separate paragraphs regarding the British and US programs respectively. Perhaps incorporate the "Name" section into the "British" paragraph. This link seems to contain good information behind Outward Bound's history in the US: http://www.outwardbound.org/index.cfm/do/ind.about_history —Preceding unsigned comment added by Espang10 (talk • contribs) 02:19, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 18 April 2018[edit]

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by page mover) GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 23:23, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

– An organization founded in 1941 would not appear to be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for a historic nautical term as well as a renowned play from 1923 along with its equally well known film version from 1930. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 17:55, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The organization gets 80 percent of relevant pageviews. Nine Zulu queens (talk) 23:39, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per WP:DIFFCAPS (nautical term is in lowercase) and Nine Zulu queens's argument above. Support redirecting Outward bound to Glossary of nautical terms#Outward bound._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 06:28, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. All signs point to a clear primary topic for this title.--Yaksar (let's chat) 19:14, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Material to move or reintroduce[edit]

Saving these WLs & refs, as most need to be moved to the USA article.

  Peter Willauer led the founding of the Hurricane Island Outward Bound School with Miner's mentorship.

(Miner hasn't been introduced at this stage of the article, and US stuff should probably go to the US article unless we want a separate Hurricane Island one).

 Fuller was seconded to the USA in the early sixties to help establish the Colorado Outward Bound School,<ref>Miner, Joshua and Boldt, Joe, Outward Bound USA: Crew Not Passengers, The Mountaineers, 2nd edition 2002, pp. 84-85</ref> Outward Bound USA, and the first Peace Corps training camp in Puerto Rico.<ref>[http://www.ncoutwardbound.org/about_us/history/kurt_hahn_outward_bound.php History: Kurt Hahn and Outward Bound] Retrieved August 29, 2008</ref>

 Some of the more notable Outward Bound teachers include [[James Kielsmeier]], [[Stan Hugill]], [[Tom Kennerley]], [[Paul Petzoldt]], [[Robert B. Rheault]], [[Karl Rohnke]], [[Peter Willauer]], and [[Willi Unsoeld]].<ref name="Birth of Outward Bound"/><ref>''See also: [[Outward Bound USA#History|Outward Bound USA History]]'' and [http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/showthread.php?t=1240 Outward Bound Sea School].</ref><ref>Richards, A. (n. d.) ''[http://www.outward-bound.org/lic_sub3_history.htm Introduction: The inward odyssey of outward bound]''. Retrieved January 26, 2008</ref>

Will sort out homes for this stuff soon, possibly back in this article. Basie (talk) 08:44, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Outward bound redirect[edit]

I've moved this to point to Outward Bound (disambiguation) as a simple search for "outward bound" (all lowercase) was leading straight to the nautical glossary. Discussion here. Cheers, Basie (talk) 22:38, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]