Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tacumwah

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The result of the debate was keep. —Korath (Talk) 00:38, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)

Tacumwah

No potential to become encyclopedic, possibly vanity page Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 13:35, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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“Tacumwah Miami businesswoman and mother of Chief Richardville.”

• Delete (just to clarify my vote) Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 13:38, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. The new material and information changes matters considerably. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:27, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Tacumwah was a real person, and this is not a vanity article. The article was supposed to link to Chief Jean Baptiste de Richardville, her son, who was a very important historical figure. I mistyped the link, which I am going to correct. This article should be expanded, with reliable, factual information, NOT deleted.

The reason I have left it at sub-stub level for now is that I have had a hard time separating some of the mythology about Tacumwah from the facts. Her name has been used for a large youth sports complex in my area, which has prompted some of the same edifying mythology for young people as for Michikinikwa (Little Turtle). Since you are a Briton, and not a resident of northeast Indiana/northwest Ohio, you are probably not familiar with these moral tales Probably the most famous is th story of how Little Turtle fired off his arrows to the four winds to set the boundaries of a place where the young braves could always go to learn the skills and values proper to the young men of any tribe. It's a complete fairy tale made up some 150 years later, when Camp Chief Little Turtle at the Anthony Wayne Boy Scout Reservation was founded. However, unlike Little Turtle, Tacumwah doesn't seem to have inspired as much genuine scholarship, at least that I can uncover. I'm also busy with several other Wiki projects (like Costas Georgiou, and school assignments right now, and I haven't had the time to go digging in the library.

I'm planning to go to a historical society meeting on the preservation of the Richardville treaty house in Fort Wayne, Indiana, which is scheduled to take place in a few months, when school is out for the summer. There should be many more knowledgable persons than I in attendance, who can give me some reliable info and point me to good sources. Can we tolerate the stub for two more months? --Jpbrenna 17:44, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Just for the record, I've started some other Miami-tribe related stubs and sub-stubs. They should all be linked to here, in this category that I created: Category:Miami_tribe I started the articles because I referenced the subjects in other, related articles and I figured I could start a stub and attract other people with better information to work on them and/or eventually uncover some more info and work on them myself. I've been wary of relying on Internet-based material too much, because of some problems I encountered with 'net info on Costas Georgiou, and some of the materials I need are only available through inter-library loan and will require extensive reading that I don't have time for right now. If we can hold off on votes for deletion on these for a couple of days, I'll try to sift through the Internet sources and develop enough to justify keeping them around.--Jpbrenna 18:55, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Cleanup and Keep. Not vanity (she was born in 1720), and seems reasonably notable, in so much as a few things in south Florida have been named after her. Anilocra 17:54, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! I've updated it with as much internet-derived information as I dare. The knife story seems reasonable enough, but some of the other stories I've heard seem a little far-fetched (although truth is sometimes stranger than fiction).--Jpbrenna 18:27, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Keep, in the light of the new additions. That said, Mel's original listing was, I think, warranted; such minimalist placeholder substubs seem unwise to me. They don't add much value, and run rather a high risk of being forgotten, orphaned, and left to rot. -- John Fader (talk | contribs) 20:44, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to Chief Jean Baptiste de Richardville. Until this article is substantially improved further I see no reason to keep this as an individual article when it could be merged with her son's article. Megan1967 02:48, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Significant person in the history of the Miami tribe.Capitalistroadster 12:48, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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