Talk:Cortes

February 2002

This article's text should be under Hernan Fernando Cortes, I'd say, and "Cortes" should be rejiggered to talk about the Spanish and Portuguese parliaments (since that's what the term means). I'm going to the dentist right now, or I'd do it myself. I will do it if it's still like this when I get back, numb lips or not :) --Paul Drye

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About the remark above.

"Cortés" (meaning polite) is different from "Cortes" (meaning parliament, among many other things). So, the spanish words "Cortés" and "Cortes" are not the same, at all; and the correct spelling is "Hernan Cortés". I hope this help.--Threshold

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Latin America? Which countries? Am I right about Spain's comunidades autónomas? Isn't the full name (in Spain) "Cortes Generales", and shouldn't that be specified? User:Hajor 15:11, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)

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In Latin America, the name for all legistive assemblies national and regional (many are bicameral) is either Congreso (Federal, Nacional o de la Nacion, etc.) o Asamblea (Federal, Nacional o de la Nacion, etc.). This is because in Latin America, corte (plural cortes) means law courts of any class. Cortes is used only in Spain. In Portugal it is Asamblea de la República. Jorge GG 03:02, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC).

Yes, I was running through the list of LatAm countries in my mind and I couldn't think of any where the parliament was called 'Cortes'. No idea about Portugal. Modifications made to the article per your comments; a ver qué opinas. –User:Hajor 03:38, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Todo bien, gracias Jorge GG 15:45, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC).

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Tribunals

In American Spanish, corte also means legal court. Don't know if it is worth a mention.

About the origin of the Cortés surname

An anonymous editor keeps editing this line: Cortés is a surname of Spanish origin from the Aragon region [1]. I'll keep deleting that mention to the surname's origin because:

• The origin of a surname is irrelevant for a disambiguation page.
• Most sources about surname origin are simply not reliable. If they describe the coat of arms of every single surname, they are even less reliable.
• I've met several Spaniards with the Cortés surname, and not one of them were Aragonese. It's a common surname in many parts of Spain, and particularly common among gypsies. --Jotamar (talk) 16:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Two points

1. The article currently states: "Cortés or Cortês, surnames of Portuguese and Spanish origin, respectively". I'm no expert in either language, but isn't this the wrong way round?
2. This is a disambiguation page, but refers to several non-existent pages. Should these be removed?

--Deskford (talk) 17:03, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

The red links could be due to some typo, so it should be researched a bit. Also, there are pages which should be mentioned here but currently have no link, and that is more important than removing red links. --Jotamar (talk) 03:00, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Hernán Cortés

I went to this page looking for information about the explorer, Cortes. I didn't know that his name had a diacritic in it, and as this is the English page, my keyboard can't be expected to have accented "e"s available, so "Cortes" would be the most appropriate place to look. When I didn't find the information I needed, I doubted my spelling and tried "Cortez" on a hunch, and on that page, guess what I found? "Hernán Cortés (or Hernando Cortés) (1485–1547), Spanish conquistador" - So why is it appropriate to put the Spanish spelling of "Cortes" on the "z" page, but not on the "s" page? I think it should be here, if anywhere, and not there, if duplicates are discouraged. The requirement of the exact Spanish spelling should only be upheld on the Spanish version of the page where that would be reasonable. 66.43.98.162 (talk) 21:51, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

The page begins with a link to Cortes (surname), which is where people with this name, including Hernán Cortés, are listed. This page only lists things other than people that share the name. The two lists were separated in December 2010. If you think it would be more appropriate for everything to be listed in the one place you could propose merging the lists again per WP:MERGE. --Deskford (talk) 22:34, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Merge, August 2013

Could someone tell me why Corte, Cortes and Cortez should be in the same damb page? And why not Cortes (surname)? Thanks. Jotamar (talk) 18:44, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

"Cortes (disambiguation page)" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Cortes (disambiguation page). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 13:35, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Merge surnames

Propose to merge all of Cortes (surname) into this Cortes disambig page. I got here lost trying to quickly get to Hernán Cortés on a U.S. keyboard, and from this Talk page I'm not the first. Compare other disambigs: Columbus, Washington, ... Smith? None split their surnames, and also they have a "commonly refers to" subset at the top. SamuelRiv (talk) 03:19, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

@Jotamar, Jaimecarballo, DocWatson42, and Leschnei: Notifying involved editors of proposed merger of Cortes surnames. SamuelRiv (talk) 03:36, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

I have no objection. —DocWatson42 (talk) 03:40, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Oppose - I think we have to look at how long the DAB and name pages are. Washington and Smith did split off people (Washington (name), Smith (given name), List of people with surname Smith) and the only names remaining on the DAB pages are people known by the mononym. I assume that this was done because these DAB pages are very long. For Columbus, both the list of people and the overall length of the DAB page is much shorter and easier to scan. I did a quick search and found many Cortes' not included on Cortes (surname) (I stopped counting at 20). Perhaps it would be better to put a hatnote at the top of Cortes directing readers to Cortes (surname), or make Cortes (surname) the first entry on the list. Leschnei (talk) 12:15, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Could you explain how it is better for the end user who searches "Name", to scroll down, see under People: "Name (surname)", process that they have to navigate there, do so, wait for the page to load, then find their result? Also, wouldn't this preclude having a "commonly refers to" list at the top of the main disambig page, since surnames are on another page? SamuelRiv (talk) 13:54, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm thinking of all of the readers who visit Cortes, not just the ones looking for a person. Since there are at least 30 articles on people who have the surname (despite what is currently listed at Cortes (surname)), including them no Cortes would make the page more difficult to scan for everybody. It is not unusual for one entry to be listed at the top if it is likely to be the page that readers are looking for. One example is School (disambiguation). Personally, I prefer that to including a long list of people on the the DAB page. Leschnei (talk) 00:20, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

I assume when a page loads for you it also puts you at the top of the page? So if the DABs were merged and the category "People" were at the bottom, then readers not looking for the surname would never have to scroll that far, and those looking for the surname have to scroll a little further. If they stay split, those not looking for the surname scroll an identical amount as before, while those looking for the surname scroll, then navigate to a new page, then scroll some more. Also, I looked at some of the crap on the Wikiprojects, and they say to consider splitting at 12 names. There's 19 entries here, and 9 surnames. This is no contest even if you're taking a vague Wikiproject suggestion as written law. SamuelRiv (talk) 02:28, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

You make a good point about people listed at the bottom of the page. I still think that having a separate surname page is reasonable for Cortes since there will be at least 30 people on the surname page when someone gets around to adding them, and the surname information and references on Cortes (surname) don't belong on a dAB page. Leschnei (talk) 11:26, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Notes - I placed a notice of this discussion at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation to encourage opinions from more editors. Leschnei (talk) 11:31, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

I think you should add the mononymously known Cortes to the disambiguation page, together with a link to the anthroponymy article, in a People section that should be more prominently listed near the top. Hernan Cortes should qualify for an entry as it seems like a common search term. It should also be noted that there's recently been an interesting template created, {{transclude list}}, which can resolve this kind of an issue when there are smaller numbers involved, but in this case we probably just want Hernan? --Joy [shallot] (talk) 16:35, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

In fact, I just did that now, see if you like it. If it needs to be said, I oppose the squashing of anthroponymy articles into disambiguation pages wholesale, that doesn't make sense. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 16:38, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Placing Hernán Cortés near the top is helpful. It's similar to what has been done in the examples Columbus and Washington. I oppose the merge.--Jahalive (talk) 07:46, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I vastly underestimated the number of people to be added to Cortes (surname). I've expanded the page - it's currently one long list, but I'll split it up into sections. Leschnei (talk) 14:24, 29 June 2022 (UTC)