Talk:Madame Nhu

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What was her real name? This article should be located there. --Jiang 00:01, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)

In that case, its "Le Xuan". WhisperToMe 00:05, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)

It should be located at whatever she is most commonly known by amongst English speakers, not at what is most accurate. - Vague | Rant 01:56, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)

I don't get it... Didn't she like catholics?[edit]

Madame Nhu was in Beverly Hills, California at the time since October, with her daughter, Le Thuy, for a trip to the United States and Italy, where she intended to expose a scheming President John F. Kennedy and the Catholics to the American public.

What does this sentence mean? "Expose JFK and the Catholics"? Wouldn't she be supportive of JFK (who has a Catholic) and the US Catholic population? And what does the sentence "Whoever has the Catholics as allies does not need enemies", mean? Again, wouldn't she be supportive of all Catholics, since she was one herself? --Konstantin 14:53, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think that it is a misquote, that it is "the kennedy administration" or "america" as allies does not need enemies. Additionally, whoever wrote this article largely plagarized it from an article called "they called her the 'diem lady': some aspects of the political life and times of madame ngo dinh nhu of the republic of vietnam" by ceferina gayo hess. i dont knwo how to flag this on wikipedia can someone else do it for me? Additionally her trip was not to expose catholics but to expose the kennedy administration, she was claming they were planning a coup for her husband and brother in law (i dont have a user name - delucaa5 at msu dot edu 10:32 pm november 1 2005

The Jackie O Kennedy quote[edit]

is that true?!? O_O

Well, do keep in mind that this is Wikipedia we are talking about. Might well be someone inserting his fantasies as facts.. Or not. Your guess is as good as mine.

We need better referenes for the quotations, such as "“clap hands at seeing another monk barbecue show." It seems to check out on Google, but barely. GChriss 15:57, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

the clapping hands at burning monks[edit]

part is true at least. I watched a video clip on a site about madame nhu (from google) which coroborated it. By that I mean I heard basically the same thing come from her mouth in the clip :P The jackie O Kennedy quote on the other hand..


The quote about the death of Kennedy is true but misleading as it is a snip from a much longer and less heartless written dialog. In regard to the her reference to burning monks and clapping her hands, I have seen video of her making the remarks. Quietaustralian 17:04, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WP Biography Rating[edit]

Due to a backlog it is no longer possible to give comment on ratings. Please put any comments/questions on my talk page. GDon4t0 20:27, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Mme Nhu Time.jpg[edit]

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Image:Lbj mnhu.jpg[edit]

Can this image be grayscaled? The red stripe is not part of the photo, it's a function of the scanner. Chris 05:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No idea how to use a scanner properly :(. I can try taking a digital camera pic of it if that works. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:34, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If you have Photoshop, you can just take it from a color to a grey image. May I try it? Chris 05:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Go for it. Although if you look at my other commons pictures uploaded today, I think it was because the book is so fat that you can't push the centre of it down close enough to the screen and so there is glare from the light bouncing from the glossy pages. The glare didn't show up for the parts of the book near the edge where you could force it down more. If I used a flash in taking a photo there would be this white patch too. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:52, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've now tried this File:MmeNhu lbj.jpg, with the names reversed to show importance. ;) Chris 05:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You should probably just upload it over the top of mine. and you could do the other ones I uploaded today as well :) Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:56, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dân Chúa Mỹ Châu Interview (Oct 2004)[edit]

Please leave the interview link cited. Though I have the actual magazine here at my house, the only online source for the article's full text is Vietcyber.net. where someone has reprinted the entire text in Vietnamese. The magazine's website does not have a search engine component that will call up an article from the Oct 2004 issue, but the article as reprinted on Vietcyber.net is exactly as printed in the magazine I have in my hands. The source is legitimate, the article is real. And I have linked to the complete article's text.72.68.188.68 11:24, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"the nepotistic regime"?[edit]

Is this supposed to be NPOV? If this phrase meant as something beyond just a nasty remark, it should imply that Diệm favored his relatives as a matter of high principle. But surely it is more likely that he appointed relatives because he had trouble finding non-relatives he could trust. Kauffner (talk) 19:08, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that does sound bad. Please find better wording. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 05:23, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Madame Ngô Đình Nhu a gunslinging Dragon Lady?[edit]

I have heard persistent stories for several years now that Madame Ngô Đình Nhu used those pistols she was often photographed with, upon those who incurred her wrath. Examples I've heard include her shooting a hairdresser who gave her a bad 'do, and sniping at strategic hamlets from a helicopter. Google search brings up nothing, maybe I don't have the right keywords, maybe the text is all in Vietnamese, which I can't read... Help? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 13:39, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Added 'restructuring' tag to page[edit]

From 'Advocacy' onwards, the article reads quite rambling. The information is good, and most of it is referenced, but it needs to be structured better to make it read more conveniently. Musikxpert (talk) 02:51, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

RIP[edit]

RIP Madame Nhu. I have a feeling time will be kinder.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 00:58, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move: Madame Nhu[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:42, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Madame Ngo Dinh Nhu → Madame Nhu – On Google Books, "Madame Nhu" | "Mme Nhu" gets 7,020 post-1980 English-language results, compared to 897 for "Madame Ngo Dinh Nhu" | "Mme Ngo Dinh Nhu". Britannica`s corresponding entry is entitled "Madame Nhu." When our title is stiff, formal and fuddy-duddy compared to Britannica`s, that's just not right. The Guardian typically uses the subject's formal name for the obit, but in this case the headline is, "Madame Nhu obituary". Here is The New York Times: "Madame Nhu, Vietnam War Lightning Rod, Dies". Aside from common use, I believe "Madame Nhu" is also clearer and more precise. "Madame Ngo Dinh Nhu" could confuse readers into thinking that her name was "Ngo Dinh Nhu". But this was her husband's name. Her name was "Trần Lệ Xuân". Kauffner (talk) 04:40, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. WP has a lot more entries than Britannica, so correspondingly more need to avoid possible ambiguity. There are two female Vietnamese singers called Nhu. None of "stiff, formal and fuddy-duddy" are against WP policy. The current name will confuse nobody. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 13:37, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Madame Nhu, Nhu Quynh, and Nhu Loan look like three distinct names to me and I don’t think it is especially likely that readers will confuse them. English-speakers don't know about the singers anyway. To a Vietnamese, "Nhu" is only Nhu Quynh. Of course, sometimes article subjects do have confusingly similar names. Many people are named John Brown or whatever and that is their name. This naturally creates confusion, but that remains true regardless of what article titles we might choose. Kauffner (talk) 15:24, 17 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Lechi Oggeri[edit]

I cut this reference to here.

<ref>[http://www.capefearstudios.com/LechiOggeri.htm Cape Fear Studios site]</ref>

This painter may have Lechi Oggeri's name. But there is no evidence on the site that this is the same person as Madame Nhu's sister. --Rednblu (talk) 16:10, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

June 2017 edits[edit]

A set of recent edits by User:198.246.186.210 has included reversion of my previous edit at this article per its history. I removed the unsubstantiated claim that the subject engaged "in group sex acts that would be known as bukkake today" from the end of an existing sentence. The previous edit was by [[1]] with an edit summary "minor proofreading". To me this appears to be vandalism with a defamatory claim which needs to be substantiated by an independent reliable source.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:51, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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