Talk:Logos

Exploring Diverse Perspectives: Authentic Definitions of Logos

Realistically, there are many ways in which we can approach this topic. One approach is to elucidate the significance of logos as a concept and its role in understanding the ordered nature of the universe. This focuses primarily on the Hellenic conception of logos in ancient philosophy. It highlights the idea of an immanent reason in the world and its connection to the cosmic process. The development of the concept is traced through different stages, including the theories of Heraclitus, the Stoics, and Philo. The discussion primarily revolves around understanding logos as a rational principle governing the world and its relation to physical and metaphysical elements.

Also, apart from its Hellenic philosophical context, the term "logos" has been interpreted and explained in various ways across different disciplines and traditions.

Here are a few alternative explanations:

• Theological Perspective: In Christian theology, "logos" is associated with the divine Word of God, as mentioned in the Gospel of John. It represents the divine creative principle and the embodiment of God's wisdom and communication with humanity.

• Semiotics and Linguistics: Logos can be understood as a symbol or sign that carries meaning. Semiotics refers to using language and signs to convey information and create understanding. In linguistics, it can refer to rhetoric as a persuasive argument.

• Existential and Phenomenological Philosophy: Some philosophical traditions emphasize logos' subjective and experiential aspects. For example, existentialists explore the role of logos in human existence and the search for meaning in life. Phenomenology investigates how our consciousness and perception shape our understanding of the world.

• Rhetoric and Persuasion: In classical rhetoric, logos is one of the three modes of persuasion (alongside ethos and pathos). It appeals to reason and logic, using evidence, facts, and arguments to support a position and convince an audience.

• Mathematical and Scientific Context: Logos can be understood as a logical principle or mathematical formula that provides a basis for reasoning and understanding. In scientific contexts, it can refer to the rational and systematic investigation of the natural world.

I advocate for defining Logos in the full spectrum of its complexity. I understand that this is potentially contentious for those with an aim grounded in metaphysics related to the Christian theological perspective. Let's work it out.

Edunoramus (talk) 17:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

I support broadening this article. We should not lose/hide the dominant current use of the term in our effort to be faithful to the ancient history. What changes do you plan that you think will be most controversial from this POV? — Charles Stewart (talk) 18:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Describing "Logos" as a persuasive argument can be problematic when considering its connection to the divine Word or divine reason. As we know, in Christian theology, "Logos" holds deep meaning beyond persuasion.

It represents the divine nature, understanding of the world, and the divine plan. Focusing solely on its persuasive aspect overlooks its profound spiritual significance related to the creation, wisdom, and "the word" of Jesus Christ and the broader pervasive order of the universe, as many Christians believe.

Therefore, I anticipate that those who have a passionate interest in "Logos," as it relates to Christian Theology, would argue that the term should not be simplified or reduced to mere "persuasion," as it carries for them a profound meaning in Christian belief.

But, the reality is, Logos can be defined in five different ways, as outlined above-- therein lies the primary controversy and, thus, decades of arguments of this definition here on Wikipedia.

Edunoramus (talk) 13:57, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Why is this word italicized (in the title and the body) when the words Pathos and Ethos are not?

It seems like an inconsistency. "Logos" is not italicized on the other articles either (Pathos; Ethos). Also, "pathos" and "ethos" are never italicized, either in this article or the other two.

Am I missing something? Shouldn't it be consistent, either for all of them, or for none of them? -- Diriector_Doc├─────┤^Talk_Contribs 02:04, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

UU 142.118.184.126 (talk) 08:16, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Merge

I propose folding in Logos (Christianity) - Temerarius (talk) 17:26, 24 March 2024 (UTC)