Talk:Alexander Campbell (minister)

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Is this correct? "He was also the compiler of a hymnal which consisted of lyrics without any musical notations, which he considered to be superfluous and hence sinful."

The word "sinful" there seems like a misrepresentation. Anyone able to back that up? Carltonh 15:15, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Only in that I've seen a copy of his hymnal (and, for that matter, his edition of the N.T.) and that the explanation, given by a man who remembered people who remembered him and hence admittedly third-handed, was that such was his belief (one largely shared by this man himself, who had always disapproved not only of instrumental music, but of parts and harmony). This would certainly be the best justification for the book's unusual format. (The book's format is not at all unusual. Before 1850 no hymnals had musical notation. Tunebooks, which are not the same as hymnals, had musical notation.)

Rlquall 17:25, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

If you see his only written comments about instrumental music, his argument against it was that it was emotionalistic, and perhaps materialistic. He did not argue that it was Biblically sinful. See http://www.mun.ca/rels/restmov/texts/acampbell/ac1.html I think the same may at most have been his opinion on musical notations, so I think it should be changed. Carltonh 18:01, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Many hymnals of the Restoration Movement during this period contained words only, and not notes. I don't know this to be any type of proof that Campbell felt musical notation was sinful, though. I've never heard that anywhere.

Campbellites - the name[edit]

The term Campbellites is one that was common among the instrumental churches from the Campbell/ Stone movement in its late 19th century expansion. Campbell himself did not like the term for the core of his leadership went to leading people to follow Jesus, not any other man. I do not believe the Nickname paragraph has any place here.

The recent edit that suggested "Campbell's beliefs were considered aborrent by "orthodox" Christians" has no basis. It is unsupported by any source material. It borders very closely on vandalism. At best it is NPOV.

I removed the paragraph so it can be discussed here, without detracting from the article.John Park (talk) 19:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can only add that the name "Campbellites" caught on so quickly because it was used in derision, the majority of protestants calling the minority group as they were adhering to the beliefs as set down in the New Testament Bible. (Reminds one of the mob mentality in calling for Barabas instead of Jesus in the Gospels.) This group started long before the name calling with Thomas Campbell, Barton Stone and James O'Kelly as being the pioneers. For many years there was no dissention, just rejoicing and fellowshiping in closely following God's Word. Then some men with innovative thinking thought they could improve on God's Perfection with "improvements" like instrumental music and certain groups governing several congregations in areas of joint concerns, i.e. mission fields overseas and orphan homes. Finally this caused the US Government's recognition of the split of 1906 but the chasm had started long before. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.131.111.97 (talk) 15:48, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Name[edit]

Should the name of the page be changed from "Alexander Campbell (clergyman)" to "Alexander Campbell (reformer)"? Campbell did not believe in a lay/clergy distinction and the elimination of such a distinction is characteristic of the churches that are part of Campbell's heritage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.69.187.2 (talk) 19:46, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

non-denominational[edit]

Instead of "development of non-denominational Christian churches" there should be read "development of non-confessional Christian denominations". A denomination is a (religious) community with a name (Latin nomen), and they all have names. The denominations inspired by Campbell have no - or want to be without - confessions, i.e. authoritative summaries of the faith beside the Bible. --Rabanus Flavus (talk) 19:28, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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