Talk:James Wolfe

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Mother[edit]

what was james wolfe mothers name?

Henrietta, daughter of Edward Thompson, and she was from Marsden, Yorkshire.

End NPOV Dispute[edit]

Since no-one has spoken up with any specific concerns about the NPOV of the article, I have removed the NPOV tag. I would suggest that the entire song "bold wolfe" is not required for the article. It should maybe have its own page, with the name of the composer, years, maybe a sheet of the music?Easter rising 16:20, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't even think that's necessary. The song/poem is non-notable and adds nothing to the article, apart from more anecdotal, uncited claims. Speaking of which, the trivia is also uncited, and should either be backed up with citation or removed, imho. Fishhead64 21:06, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
My bad. I'll remove it till I dig up that source... an ex-prof of mine wrote the book in question... I'll have to find it first! Easter rising 12:18, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality dispute[edit]

"Obvious inhumanity" etc. etc. Also no references for various claims. Clear anti-Wolfe sentiment. 195.194.199.50 12:20, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say the whole Wolfe Legend paragraph needs rewriting. A clear POV case.130.237.175.198 10:16, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The POV in this section is astounding, and uncited. There's been no defence of it since the NPOV tag was posted, so I'm editing out uncited sections. Fishhead64 18:58, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have read quite a bit of material that would back up some of the claims from the section that was removed. Specifically:

It has also been suggested that Wolfe's chronic, and possibly terminal, illness led him to take the potentially disastrous risks he did. Always frail, Wolfe appears to have suffered diseases of the kidney and bladder, rheumatism, and possibly even scurvy. "If I say I am stupider," he reported to a friend, "you will imagine me a shadow or a skeleton in motion." Some historians have suggested that Wolfe knew he was dying in the summer of 1759 and was determined to die in battle, whether he won or not. This would explain his daring final assault on Quebec, and makes sense in light of his earlier comment that "In particular circumstances and times the loss of 1,000 men is rather an advantage to a nation than otherwise, seeing that gallant attempts raise its reputation and make it respectable."

This info certainly has supporting documents... I'll do my best to find them and place citations. Untill then I would suggest we remove the Neutrality dispute and place the section above with some *citation needed*s.Easter rising

Too Much was edited out[edit]

I read the POV part and although it was well, POV, it had information that was valuable. At the moment the image that is given on this page is positive, rather than neutral. Also the notes on his health were deleted. I don't know Wolfe enough to write about him, though. --A Sunshade Lust 10:30, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Need more info! Too much edited out!

Agreed! There was to much editing done.--Stephen C Wells (talk) 21:01, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Small Spelling Alteration[edit]

The church in Greenwich, London, SE10 which contains the monuments to Wolfe is the church of Saint Alfege, not Saint Alfrege as previously stated. I have ammended the spelling accordingly. Only a small thing but it's better to get it right, I think. My source? I've lived in Greenwich for the last 24 years. JGB —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.147.217.201 (talk) 16:22, 9 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Bravo!--Stephen C Wells (talk) 21:02, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry, I wasn't being sarcastic when I said "Bravo!" That is just the way I talk.--Stephen C Wells (talk) 19:07, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Inadequate introductory information[edit]

The "Birth and early military career" section needs to be clarified. In the second sentence it states that his regiment was recalled to Britain, but does not say from where. The entire section reads as if it were, indeed, written by committee. 72.75.47.144 (talk) 19:28, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, someone should have paid attention to the 72's observation earlier. A vandal deletion remained unreverted for almost a year. --Anonymous44 (talk) 22:15, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. This is not a good area to make mistakes, you know.--Stephen C Wells (talk) 21:05, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Extra wording?[edit]

Why does it say "You are fat. I hate you"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doverjeff67 (talk • contribs) 18:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because some sneaky bugger of a vandal snuck one through. Sorted now. Tony Fox (arf!) 18:56, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Because of James Wolfe's importance to the history of Canada, it is unfortunately a target of high-volume vandalism. The cost of accuracy is eternal vigilance! Watchlist this page! fishhead64 (talk) 22:45, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Listen to Fishhead64! Wolfe is also an important figure in British history! Beware of vandals who wish to ruin this great general's article!--Stephen C Wells (talk) 19:38, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Attack on the full moon?[edit]

I remember reading in an article in Maclean's magazine where General Wolf attack Quebec on a full moon were the tide was highest. Is there anyone out there that could write that article in here? Denis July 28 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.166.168.71 (talk) 22:45, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Character section[edit]

"Nearly half his forces at Quebec included militiamen from New York, Massachusetts, and Pennsylvania, although they behaved bravely in battle, outperforming what was expected of soldiers of their rank."

Firstly, why the "although"? Sorry, it just bugs me. Secondly, why is this in the section on Wolfe's character? I fail to see how militiamen performing well reflects on the man himself. I'm going to remove it, but change it back with some added explanation if there's some reason to have it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.107.214.98 (talk) 03:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the "although" is intended to say that Americans don't fight well. Canadians do fight better than Americans (that's a fact of life) but the middle of the section on James Wolfe's character is not the place to put it. --Stephen C Wells (talk) 19:49, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I realise this is an old discussion, but just to have it said, the "although" is of course not because of the provincial regiments' national origin, but because they were militiamen—that is, amateur soldiers who enlisted only for a single campaign season and maintained extremely light standards of discipline. There are exceptions (the Revolutionary War being the most famous, though the idea of the Continental Army being a plucky, ill-disciplined army made up entirely of skirmishers shouldn't be overplayed), but on the whole, militia were far inferior to regulars (professional soldiers). Any commander would have been particularly worried about the militia in his line at the Plains of Abraham, since for the first time in the North American war, two European armies were about to fight a pitched battle (all previous engagements had been raids or sieges), in which his army would have to deliver and receive volley fire and advance upon the enemy in line, all things that regulars excelled at but militia were particularly poor at. (Witness, for instance, the French army they were facing, where the Canadian militia in the line lost all semblance of cohesion from the simple act of marching toward the British lines at the start of the battle.) Binabik80 (talk) 13:54, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

General Wolfe's House, Bath[edit]

There is a General Wolfe's House in Bath [1]. Is this our General Wolfe? What was he doing in Bath? Was it his family home? 86.147.161.190 (talk) 11:45, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt it. James Wolfe was from Westerham, Kent. It might just have been a summer home.--Stephen C Wells (talk) 19:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

His parents had a house at 5 Trim Street, Bath, at which he stayed, and where he was when Pitt sent him to Quebec. DuncanHill (talk) 15:14, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wolfe's Manifesto[edit]

Wolfe's Manifesto should not be inside Wikipedia. I have already uploaded a copy of the said manifesto (from a different source though) to Wikisource right here: Manifesto Addressed to the Canadians. -- Mathieugp (talk) 15:30, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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POV?[edit]

Because of this he has been regarded as a hero by many Canadians. It may be an over-patriotic French Canadian feelings... but is this really necessary to state? I don't know about how well known he is outside of the Province of Québec, but I know not many people likes him here.

Believe me, Wolfe is a Canadian hero. Many Canadians thank him since he is the reason they speak English, no offence intended to the French-speaking people of Canada.--Stephen C Wells (talk) 19:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Royal Highland Fusiliers[edit]

It is not correct to say that he commanded the Royal Highland Fusiliers in North America. There was no regiment of that name until 1957, when the Royal Scots Fusiliers merged with the Highland Light Infantry. You would need to name the unit he actually commanded, and then show how it became part of today's RHF. 86.181.153.30 (talk) 02:02, 6 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

From where is "Peter" sourced?[edit]

We state that it is Peter in the name of "James 'Peter Wolfe". The histories and sources that I have read, and checking some of the attached references don't mention Peter. So can someone please identify that source, and we probably should justify its use. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:43, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:James Wolfe/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Start - But almost B class. Need infobox (see WP:WPBIO for template) and citations. Use ref tags to cite references used with the facts above. Then maybe just a little more info, perhaps expand on battles during 7 years war as there should be plenty of literature available, maybe even in Google Books. Then it would be a B class article. Aboutmovies 18:30, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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